That is a good point. the existing process would be terrible. The difference I'm guessing is we have a way to cater for the existing processes. How to cater for 26 million fire prone batteries spread across an entire planet
Well the answer is, we will find out over the next decade!
And how long do renewables last? The greenies base all their calculated "savings" on only doing it once, and don't include all the supporting infrastructure that renewables require.
We are locked into contracts with China at 6 cents a litre.why isn't LPG as a fuel being pushedWe have been using it for decades ... and decades ... and decades. its safe, reliable and works with the existing technology.
Makes sense to me.
The world is f#cked because everyone is obsessed with technology.
Want to save the planet, stop everyone from buying new shit when they don't really need it.
I'll keep driving my 70 year old Austin every day, knowing I could never do as much damage to the planet with it, as I would if I bought a new EV, an array of solar panels and a storage battery, so that I can charge it overnight "for free".
thats LNG.
pretty sure that is natural gas. its nowhere near as vehicle friendly as LPG. Its much more difficult to compressor into a liquid and keep there from memory
They used to have natural gas vehicles in Toowoomba years ago.
Has Elon Musk mentioned his involvement in the recycling of his batteries?Look at the size of that Li-Cycle plant, that is only basically "dismantling" the batteries.
All the shredded product has to be transported elsewhere for further processing.
The Li-Cycle plant is touted as the biggest in North America and has an annual capacity of 18,000 tons.
As we saw in the video, there was one car battery going up the conveyor and 1000s of small "household" type batteries.
So what is their EV battery capacity really? Let's be generous and say 50%, or 9000 tons.
There were 1.2 million EVs sold in the US in 2023.
So around 600,000 tons of EV batteries.
They need to to build 66 more "recycling" plants just like the Li-Cyle one, just to shred the batteries up to keep pace with current US EV sales.
Of course in the upcoming "Electric Utopia" where the entire 15 million or so cars sold every year in the USA are EVs?
They are going to need 1000 of these battery shredding plants, or 20 in every US state.
Of course that's not taking into account the increase in "other" dead batteries that these plants are going to have to deal with, home storage, E-bikes, E-scooters, electric mowers, chainsaws, brushcutters and whatever else they are slowly mandating to replace those "dirty" ICE engines.
Then they have to build all the plants to accept the shredded products to turn them into manufacturing grade raw materials.
Look as the size of the one they are building in NY at the end of the video, how many of these "further processing" facilities are going to be needed as well??
Of course all these millions of a tons of materials will have to be transported around the countryside.
"Don't worry about that", I hear you say, "they'll use electric trucks for that".
Cool, once they replace the 13 million "dirty diesel" trucks on US roads with battery ones they better built a few hundred more "recycling" plants to handle those batteries when they finally die as well.
What are all these recycling facilities going to run on, solar, windmills? Better start building recycling plants for the millions of EOL solar panels and windmills too.
The scale of what will be needed to provide "lean green" recycling for all these new energy products once they are f#cked is simply staggering.
Hole in the ground anyone???
Upside down in a Corvair somewhere?
They have recycling capability at their Nevada gigafactory. However they try and fluff any crook batteries back up to a minimum of 70% capacity to use as warranty claim replacements, before they send them back there.
. Best option available given the well short of a green sticker for current battery technology. Aptera's battery at least isn't a 100kw whopper lugging around a 2.5 ton tank.
aptera.us
Unfortunately that's probably more vaporware to attract investors rather than anywhere near a real product. Given current solar panel efficiency is around 25% in real world conditions I'd imagine we're at least 5 years away (when panels reach ~40%) before meaningful range can be achieved via the on car pv panels. Even then, your not driving your family in air conditioned comfort more than a few kays before you'd be leaning on a battery pack or a small hybrid system.If you wish to be a real fair dincum Green then you'd buy one of these
Aptera Motors
Aptera is the world’s first Solar Electric Vehicle that requires no charging for most daily use - giving you the freedom to do more with less impact on the planet.
Seems very funny to me that the "Greenies" have not realised that EV technology and Elon Musk are going to be the conspiracy reality that will be exposed at some point?
The Brisbane CIty Council still operates hundreds of CNG powered busses. The next generation of busses was diesel and the ones they are adding to the fleet now are electric.
We don't want electric busses....
Take out the "fuel savings", which aren't applicable to a hire car company, and buying an EV over ICE doesn't make financial sense for them at this point in time.
How are they going to do that in a car park and how are they extracting the toxic emissions?