I wonder how the water based coatings work. Wouldn't they still need activators (hardeners) in order to chemically cure
My new challenge - 1964 ID19F Safari
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I wonder how the water based coatings work. Wouldn't they still need activators (hardeners) in order to chemically cure
Spies Hecker are one of the leading producers of water borne paints. I've been looking into them in detail. They are 2K and chock a block full of isocyanates. Water borne means the paint isn't carried on volatile hydrocarbons but it doesn't mean anything more than that.I wonder how the water based coatings work. Wouldn't they still need activators (hardeners) in order to chemically cure
... but they often look 'wrong' when you are dealing with an older model originally painted with cellulose, acrylic or one of the early baked enamels. They are certainly much more resistant to chips and abrasion.
This is what I'm aiming to replicate on my Pallas. Solid colour with a professionally applied 2K
That's for sure. It depends really. If you ahve a car that lives in a dark garage you could be fine. The sun and bird crap ( especially the bird poo) really damages arcylic laquer. I quite like the valspar I used on the shitbox range rover. its cheap, very hardy and looks great in the 70's bright colours. Being a single part paint (ie: not base/clear). All the offroad pinstriping shows as white'ish lines in the blue.
Yes, a guy I know has a model T Ford that has never been played with, original everything.
That heavy black "paint" has a look all of its own. The "paint," was dipped, dripped or brushed on back then depending on which component it was.
I like acrylic cos it's easy to sand out my mistakes.
Modern topcoats are also harder to patch up, especially pearls, and are less forgiving of defects in your prep work.
Despite the reputation of the T being all black, many were bright colours, at least in this country. There was an article in Restored Cars a couple of years ago on this topic.
On D, GS and CX, many of the 'brown' bits (NOT 'Mission') were obviously dipped. You can replicate that if you want by passing a part through a layer of paint floating on top of water in a bucket.
Despite the reputation of the T being all black, many were bright colours, at least in this country. There was an article in Restored Cars a couple of years ago on this topic.
On D, GS and CX, many of the 'brown' bits (NOT 'Mission') were obviously dipped. You can replicate that if you want by passing a part through a layer of paint floating on top of water in a bucket.
Metallic finishes suit a DS Pallas very well, so I'd encourage you to reconsider the solid finish here, even looking beyond the half dozen or so listed for your model year. It's a personal preference and mine would be to leave the solids/pastels with a white roof on a later D to the Supers and Specials. The difference in paint cost, plus applying a clearcoat, would be modest in the scheme of paying a pro to paint it. Don't overlook trial fitting panels with some of the rubbers as what you think might fit well as just bare panels may not when you start adding other body hardware. The bonnet rubbers can catch you out here and mean it might not line up as well as you thought it would.
I agree and thank you for your comments about the fitting of panels.
Regarding colour - you are right about the metallics but unfortunately to my eye Citroen lost the plot with colour schemes in the 70's.
I've thought about this for a long time and those authentic colour to my taste are awful. That primrose colour is very elegant and creates a very nice statement about the sculptured form of the car. I was considering a red metallic for a while but its too common.
I believe it was a bit of an urban myth in the US as well. Although black was dominant I believe they were also available in blue, green and red as these pigments mixed well with the base varnish they used. Black was the cheapest pigment, the faster drying time for black was also urban myth.
The one I mentioned actually had a blue body with black guards. It was the black on the guards that really caught my eye.
The owner was telling me it was that original,(one Victorian family) that he had guys from the Model T clubs contacting him to check on small details as they were concerned aspects of their restorations may not have been 100% authentic.
I've never been overly fond of yellow until I bought a US import Yamaha V Max. It had been painted to a very high standard in Kenny Roberts livery. The yellow was a metallic and it was stunning in the sunlight.
I wish I knew what the paint code was as I would certainly use it on something else.
Try researching Renault Clio Sport colours. Their yellows glow like the sun.I've never been overly fond of yellow until I bought a US import Yamaha V Max. It had been painted to a very high standard in Kenny Roberts livery. The yellow was a metallic and it was stunning in the sunlight.
I wish I knew what the paint code was as I would certainly use it on something else.
Is that colour Jonquille ( AC 305 ) ? It appears in "The Original DS" a couple of times on a Safari. back in the 70s one local owner had his DS repainted in a brighter shade of "safety yellow" for visibility. It certainly made the car look very "cheeky". This picture also shows a retrimmed interior in pale almost white. ...an interesting change. In the early 70s I covered the rear parcel shelf ( black vinyl ) with a covering white carpet, in an attempt to beat the heat soak. Worked well for something so simple, and really opened up the interior. That car was a DS20 in Kandahar Grey ( most uninspiring ) with gold jersey seats and exceedingly rare green tinted glass. I note the venetian blind on this pale yellow car, and wonder if the owner was attempting to reduce solar energy trap.
Here's another view of the car. I don't know if it is the Citroen Jonquilee colour. Not also the car is claimed to be a 1975 DS23 Pallas.
Note also the interesting Citroen badge on the bonnet
Epoxy primer and isocyanates, this from the MIG Welding Forum in the UK (well worth a look, covers everything, including bread making and brewing).
"Yes epoxy primer is 2K which means that it is 2 Komponent (German). It doesn't contain isocyanates so is safe to spray with conventional PPE, rather than positive pressure. It is absolutely not porous after it cures. There is no finer primer, especially for difficult substrates like plastics and aluminium. It does away with specialist primers at a stroke. You could prime and then leave it outside for 12 months, wash it, flat it and then apply colour coats directly."
"Yes epoxy primer is 2K which means that it is 2 Komponent (German). It doesn't contain isocyanates so is safe to spray with conventional PPE, rather than positive pressure. It is absolutely not porous after it cures. There is no finer primer, especially for difficult substrates like plastics and aluminium. It does away with specialist primers at a stroke. You could prime and then leave it outside for 12 months, wash it, flat it and then apply colour coats directly."
Interesting. From here it appears to have non Pallas hub caps ( wheel envelopers in early DS 19 speak ) and headlights that are not correct for the era, as they do not have the smaller rectangular reflector in the large lights. Not that these things matter much. The Citroen script bonnet badge was available as a spare part or accessory here as were the chevron decorated rear mud flaps. ( They could be attached behind the front wheels using the boxed jacking point and adjusted with multi drilled mounting plates and a ball and socket mounting ). You will see that gold bonnet badge on Slough built Ds. The rear boot badge looks to have South African script. The last Ds we got in this state were plated 11th month of 74, ( it is my understanding the local importer did ordering in batches and some cars spent longish periods in storage before being released from the bond store ) and an urban myth, several have been rumoured to be "the last" DS sold.
There were variations in each batch, like the supplier and locating hardware for the air horns. I wonder if this primrose coloured DS is a South African built car. No doubt other anoraks will comment. Keeps the brain somewhat alive !
That colour and combination with a white roof is almost exactly the same as whati did to a '72 D Special for my wife in the early '90s. It was great, much better than the original beige.
The car had 200k km when we got it, and I gave it a timing chain, bearings and rings at about 350k, and it just kept going, ending up with almost 600k on it.
When our kids were small I fitted 4 seat belts in the rear....... what else could I do?
It's still one of my favorite colours for a Dee.
My recently acquired DS21 ie Pallas is one of my least favourite colours, vert argent, but rather than permanently destroying its originality, i am considering preparing second set of panels. A decision about colour and making time to do it, have Deelayed it a bit.
The car had 200k km when we got it, and I gave it a timing chain, bearings and rings at about 350k, and it just kept going, ending up with almost 600k on it.
When our kids were small I fitted 4 seat belts in the rear....... what else could I do?
It's still one of my favorite colours for a Dee.
My recently acquired DS21 ie Pallas is one of my least favourite colours, vert argent, but rather than permanently destroying its originality, i am considering preparing second set of panels. A decision about colour and making time to do it, have Deelayed it a bit.
Anorak checking in. I tend to believe you're right, that is a South African car.
Yet it does not have the front mounted reflectors that I recall SA cars having.
This may link to a SA built survivor.
