I got ready and jumped!

There was a Tesla fire near Goulburn the same night as the MG fire.
"The Driven" article on the Tesla fire included the excerpt about "only 415 known EV battery fires in the world since 2010".
Of course a quick Google came up with the other excerpt about "3000 EV fires per year in China".
Mmm, maybe the Chinese are just trying to pretend they're the world leaders in EV fires?🤔

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I'd check on the reputations of the manufacturers' warranty. Was very happy how Peugeot treated my warranty claims but confirm what are others also say found VW appalling. The extended five year manufacturer's warranty wasn't worth the expense or the paper it was written on. The dealer wanted $2500 to replace a single component out of a multi-component $1500 options package.

When I recently came across a nice low mileage 405 that I thought it would suit a young relative. My Peugeot specialist mechanic suggested spending the same money on a Corolla.
 
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The media are calling it a "luxury EV".
Looks like an MG ZS to me, one of the cheapest EVs on the market.
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Probably not MG's fault here. Right next to Sydney Airport Control Tower. Cadogan's fair take on this:
 
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Probably not MG's fault here. Right next to Sydney Airport Control Tower. Cadogan's fair take on this:
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Yes I watched that. The guys who left it out in the weather must have been going for the Darwin award. Although on the other hand I have pile of lead acid batteries (that I've taken out of various vehicles) sitting next to the fence in the weather, and I'm not too worried about those "spontaneously combusting".😉
 
Tesla is very expensive yet, they managed to take the crown off everyone in Europe, including Stellantis, Peugeot and VW, China is the only one that can outsell Tesla with cheapo Pagodas.
It's a phenomenon that Tesla, with no car-making history dating back to 1900 can be the most popular car ever, even though it is so bloody expensive. American cars have never been popular outside America, look at Ford, Holden and a bunch of stupid ones that never even made it out of America like Oldsmobile, Chrysler, Chevrolet and the crap design yet Tesla, an American-made vehicle appears to have hit all the right notes for everyone stealing the crown jewel from every other maker who had been in the business for a very long time, even before Tesla was a word. It was a shock to VW that even the old time favourite Golf was unseated by Tesla, hence the mass firing of the EV factory workers good for nothing at VW even Stellantis.
 
Nikola Tesla was granted US patents for his induction motor in May 1888 so Tesla has been a word for quite a while.

People who buy Tesla vehicles are buying an idea, not an automotive lineage.
 
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Nikola Tesla was granted US patents for his induction motor in May 1888 so Tesla has been a word for quite a while.

People who buy Tesla vehicles are buying an idea, not an automotive lineage.
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despite everyone giving credit to Thomas Edison for inventing the light bulb simply because they got in first with a patent, others have been 'making wires incandesce since 1761' so there you go whatever induction motor was spoken in 1888 it's debatable what took it so long to get credit in 2020

and in reality no EV makers are actually making any profit and all need state welfare to help out. China is an exception because having business welfare is business as usual for them.
 
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Americans have never been known for making any vehicle likeable and acceptable, but since the whole world revolves around USA ra ra ra what the other billion of people like outside ra ra ra is no matter.
 
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Tesla is very expensive yet, they managed to take the crown off everyone in Europe, including Stellantis, Peugeot and VW, China is the only one that can outsell Tesla with cheapo Pagodas.
It's a phenomenon that Tesla, with no car-making history dating back to 1900 can be the most popular car ever, even though it is so bloody expensive. American cars have never been popular outside America, look at Ford, Holden and a bunch of stupid ones that never even made it out of America like Oldsmobile, Chrysler, Chevrolet and the crap design yet Tesla, an American-made vehicle appears to have hit all the right notes for everyone stealing the crown jewel from every other maker who had been in the business for a very long time, even before Tesla was a word. It was a shock to VW that even the old time favourite Golf was unseated by Tesla, hence the mass firing of the EV factory workers good for nothing at VW even Stellantis.
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Tesla is not the "most popular car ever". As a brand it CURRENTLY (as of Q2 2023) sits at the 14th most prolific car manufacturer in the world. HISTORICALLY it's way back further than 14th, over the hill and far away.
The Model Y is claimed to be the CURRENT biggest selling single model of car as of Q1 2023, although there is serious doubt about that claim. Tesla do not release separate production figures for the Model Y. All of Tesla's data combines Model Y and Model 3 production together. JATO somehow decided that the Model Y's production exceeded the Toyota Corolla, and every article that claims that the Model Y is currently the biggest selling car, cites that JATO claim. Autoweek did an article and called it BS and provided figures that showed the Corolla was still comfortably outselling the Model Y. Even Teslarati said in their related article, that the Model Y "seemingly" outsold the Corolla in Q1 2023, even they didn't believe it.
As of July 2023 Tesla have made a grand total of 4.5 million vehicles. As of July 2023 Ford have made over 400 million vehicles. Tesla claim they make car every 40 seconds. 100 years ago Ford's Highland Park plant was spitting out a (completely hand assembled) Model T every 16 seconds.

Tesla get way more publicity than they deserve, and their Tesla fan boys make exaggerated claims on their YouTube channels and web pages that most of their viewers wouldn't bother verifying, and unfortunately these same viewers are only too happy to repeat the hype.
Yes Tesla are doing OK, but the fact remains even in the USA, the company's country of birth, their current best selling model, the Model Y, is outsold by the F Series Ford, the Chevrolet Silverado and the Dodge Ram (in that order).
 
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and in reality no EV makers are actually making any profit and all need state welfare to help out. China is an exception because having business welfare is business as usual for them.
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Tesla sold $1.78 billion USD of carbon offset credits to other other auto manufacturers in 2022.
They made just over 1.3 million vehicles in 2022.
So the US taxpayer indirectly funded every single car Tesla made worldwide (in 2022) to the tune of $2100 AUD for each and every vehicle.
 
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Americans have never been known for making any vehicle likeable and acceptable, but since the whole world revolves around USA ra ra ra what the other billion of people like outside ra ra ra is no matter.
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Errr, the Model T Ford was made in 19 different countries, including six plants in Europe.
At one stage there were more Model T Fords on the planet than every other other brand of vehicle combined.🤷‍♂️
 
bunch of stupid ones that never even made it out of America like Oldsmobile, Chrysler, Chevrolet
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These were once common cars on Australian roads. My old man had a Chev in the 50s. I remember Oldsmobiles, a near neighbour had one.

Holden, which I never liked much, was a small version of the Chevrolet. Chrysler lasted quite a while here with the Valiant.

Right at the thread beginning the 208 was starting to cost an arm and a leg to keep. Small Pugs are cheap to run in my experience, and I'd be happy to have it.
 
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Then the question is why are the Europeans so afraid of Tesla so much so they are firing ev workers?
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I read an article the other day that said the workers getting laid off at VW were coming to the end of their hire contracts (see excerpt).
You need to stop watching the Electric Viking.
Almost everything he puts up now is poorly researched and highly biased click bait.

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Notwithstanding if business was booming these would have been renewed
They were not able to churn out like cans of sardines like china and Tesla
 
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Notwithstanding if business was booming these would have been renewed
They were not able to churn out like cans of sardines like china and Tesla
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They're not quite shutting up shop yet.
Tesla made 920,000 units by the end of Q2 2023.
The VW Group made 3,300,000 units by the end of Q2 2023.
The VW Group have 675,000 employees, so I don't think not renewing the contracts of 269 employees (0.04% of the workforce) is a sign of anything.
But then I'm not trying to get people to to click onto my pro EV (read pro Tesla) YouTube videos either.

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Just out of interest this is a publicity photo from Ford's Highland Park plant taken in 1913. It shows the Model T chassis production from one shift (and they had three shifts per day)
By 1919 they were making four times as many Model Ts at this factory than they were when this photo was taken.
The plant was last used for manufacturing in 1974, but it still stands in Detroit today.

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