Another R17 owner planning to upgrade

COL said:
John you could fabricate the cover bracket from some sheet metal or if you are lucky a bit of SHS or RHS of the right size. All it does is stops the gearbox from fall onto the road if the rubber mounts fail.
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Yep, thanks Col. Great idea! This is possible and maybe the way to go.
Ray (Geckoeng) and I have been talking about it just tonight. I understand the complete setup now. I think this is the way to go. Ray even mentioned a steel section beneath the box from one side to the other to help if a mount breaks.
Thank you
John
 
Just found this. Thought I would add the original part numbers page for the gearbox mounts - 365 box for the R17. Future reference.
365 silent blocks from parts book.jpg
 
Jensen said:
This was under A310 1600 (which also uses the 365 gearbox). The mount has two holes rather than one but if you are fabricating the brackets to attach it to the gearbox casing, that shouldn't present a problem.

http://www.mecaparts.com/PhotosPieces/mp2047.jpg
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The part listed is actually for the A 310/6. The 310/4 doesn't have a mount on the side of the gearbox, it has a mount on the end cover and being bolted to the engine takes care of the other end. The mount is the same as the A110 1600 s
 
Hi Shoji,

Sorry only just got a chance to measure up the brackets and take some photos. My verniers are in a box somewhere so had to use a tape measure and mark up on my phone! Hopefully it's enough detail to rough up the mounts and test fit before drilling the holes.






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Jensen said:
Hi Shoji,

Sorry only just got a chance to measure up the brackets and take some photos. My verniers are in a box somewhere so had to use a tape measure and mark up on my phone! Hopefully it's enough detail to rough up the mounts and test fit before drilling the holes.






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Thanks Jensen for taking the time. I really appreciate it wholeheartedly!
This a great help. I can now plan to make the mounts later down the road.:wink2:
Next to look at is the gear shift linkages......
Anybody have images of their setups?
 
Has anyone have a workshop diagram/picture of the complete gear linkage for a R17 with a 395 box? Including gearshift

Or better still, a picture of their car with complete linkage setup (later model I think)
The 395 box has a different setup to the 365 and my 352
As mentioned before, the r18 setup fits but i'm interested in how the r17 setup is with these boxes and maybe replicate.
The link with silencers are the same. That's a good start. The shaft on this box is longer by 75mm
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Yes I know I had great intensions but forgot all about photos. I'll try and remember tomorrow. But I don't think any of my 17's have 395 boxes.
 
Why is everyone chasing a fifth gear ratio? This is one gear ratio I little use when enjoying my self.
5th gear is for driving to Queensland. Haven't seen a 17 on this trip for 30 years
Better to chase a lower 1st gear ratio to get moving!
352 had a better low first, I can't recall now. Someone will tell me I am wrong
Then get lower profile tyres to improve the acceleration again on these old clunkers. That will raise some eyebrows again
 
The 365 five-speed is perfect, the (relatively) wide gap between second and third in the four-speed 352 is nicely filled. The 395 is a good economy 'box, like you say, is suited for long trips,
 
Here is a dodgy photo from the 17TS parts book (P.R.1002).

Looks like the linkage setup used on aus spec 17TS/G was also used on 17's fitted with a 395 box in other markets.

https://imgur.com/a/vEWh6

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Sorry I don't have an R18 parts book which would show the setup you have in some more detail.
 
I would be checking the gear ratios and also the diff ratios before going to all the trouble of changing transaxles because the Renault 17 four speed boxes had a 3.55:1 diff and the five speeds had a 3.77:1 diff so I don't think there is much difference in top gear ratios.

I think you will find that you can have either good acceleration or a lazy cruising speed but not both, if you want both you will have to one of those modified six speed boxes which you will need to sell a kidney to able to afford.
 
My linkages are the same as those shown on the parts book diagram.
 
Thanks Jensen, Sunroof, Simon, Col & Driven for all above.
The picture now confirms what was only thoughts of how it works. I was wrong
I'm sure the 5 was added for good reason.:wink2:
My four speed is tired, noisey & leaking (puddle at home) so it has to come out and Schlitzaugen was good enough to sell me this 395 and new 1cm short shafts.


  • By the looks of it I would like a complete TS gearshift to the silencers from a parts car. Wishful? Yes but the car is worth it IMHO

I will be needing/making:


  • brackets for mounts
  • 365 gear stick/selector
  • clutch
  • other linkages
17G Gear Mech parts.jpg
I'll post the picture of the 352 parts later for reference and comparison.
Back to work:disappr:
 

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Manual Gearbox Type 352
No. of Speeds 4
Diff Ratio 3.55:1 (9x32)
Ratio & Speed in gear @ 1,000 rpm.
Manual Gearbox Type 395
No. of Speeds 5
Diff Ratio 3.77:1 (9x34)
Ratio & Speed in gear @ 1,000 rpm.
Gearbox Type 365
No. of Speeds 5
Diff Ratio 3.778:1 (9 x 34)
Ratio & Speed in gear @ 1,000 rpm.

1st 3.61 8.2 km/h
1st 3.62 7.9 km/h
1st 3.455 8.32 km/h
2nd 2.26 13.1 km/h
2nd 2.34 12.3 km/h
2nd 2.235 12.86 km/h
3rd 1.48 20 km/h
3rd 1.61 17.8 km/h
3rd 1.609 17.87 km/h
4th 1.03 28.7km/h
4th 1.22 23.6 km/h
4th 1.214 23.67 km/h

5th 0.94 30.7 km/h
5th 0.935 30.73 km/h
Reverse 3.08 9.3 km/h
Reverse 3.08 9.3 km/h
Reverse 3.083 9.32 km/h
 
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