The 195/55R15 Tyre Thread

J206GTI said:
Most importantly Preceda doesn't give you much feedback (prev tyres i used) and will suddenly let go if you're going around too fast, whereas the GS-D3 will give you plenty of feedback and warning so it's much more confident tyre to be on.
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I never found the preceda's to be short on feedback or progressiveness. The straight ahead feels a little dead, yes, but as soon as you load up the sidewalls it comes alive (makes motorway progress less fidgety). They are really quite progressive too, i've done my share of arse out sliding on them and 205's are very sensitive to that kind of thing. Awesome braking aswell, really good at coming back from a lockup, and loads of warning.

It makes them a very different beast from the michelin's i've driven on before. Historically they are snappy things with a high threshold but little feedback, but preceda's are totally different, and apparently exalto's are even better...
 
Tyre choice

Apologies in advance for posting the (slightly) wrong thread. As this seems to be more active I thought I might get more of a faster response.

The time has come for replacement of the OEM Goodyear F1s on a 206GTi (mux edition :) ) - FYI they are 205/45R16. I was quite keen on the Yoko C.Drives but it turns out that they are unavailable, with shipment coming in a few months time.

As I am no longer the main driver of the vehicle, so there isn't the same need to go for as high a performance tyre as the F1s - but given the profile/size, high performance is all you really get to choose from (not bad in some peoples opinion I guess :)).

Anyway, current choices with prices (also let me know if prices seem reasonable) are:

Yoko A.Drives: ~220; Yoko ES100: ~210; Falken ZE-512 or FK-451: ~$160; Falken ZE-326: ~140.
Both tyre prices taken from respective specialist dealers.

Some other info to help you assist me with the decision.

1. Vehicle is hands of another family member where cornering etc would not nowhere get near a workout as what I would do (I am not that aggressive either but in relative terms I am).

2. I was impressed with the F1s inthe wet and would like something that didn't turn into a slick in the wet.

3. Milage and comfort would be the two things that would go up in lieu of max-limit grip. Happy for that tradeoff as long as control in the wet remains resonable.

I am leaning to one of the higher priced Falkens (in terms of price for current requirements) but would be happy to go to F1s successor (GS-D3) if they were at a similar price to them.

Thanks - and look forward to some responses/experiences.

EDIT: Forgot (a big forgot) - budget is somewhat important this time around - hence the desire to save upto $80/corner.
 
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PUG20G said:
Anyway, current choices with prices (also let me know if prices seem reasonable) are:

Yoko A.Drives: ~220; Yoko ES100: ~210; Falken ZE-512 or FK-451: ~$160; Falken ZE-326: ~140. Both tyre prices taken from respective specialist dealers.
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I replaced my GTi's original Pirelli P6000 (185/55/15) after 40k with Falken ze512 (195/55/15) for $165 in '02. These lasted 40k, then I replace those with C.Drive (195/55/15) for $180 in '04. In each case the replacement tyre was better. Only managed to do 30k on the C.Drives before the car was written off (July '05), but these would have easily exceeded 40k. I'll either be going for the C.Drive or V550 on the Coupe in a few months time.
 
Still on the search for some good tyres that are not too pricey.

Are all you S16/GTi6 drivers paying upwards of $160 per corner.

It seems all the prices im getting are $165 and up for the likes of C-Drives, GS-D3, Micheling Preceda ($200+:eek: ), one dealer recommended P6000 - were these original fitment on GTi6? What are peoples experiances.

I have an S16 and want a tyre that does the car justice but hopefully not at the expense of high noise or quick tyre wear. Could justify $170-180 if there was the benefit of the tyres lasting 20-30% longer than a cheaper tyre. Car currently has Michelin Pilot HX - seem pretty good to a novice like me, buit getting long in the tooth now.

Any thoughts? Dont want to drop anyone in it, but Lincoln (aka GTI124) did a really nice run down back in 2003 and seems to be the resident guru.

Um Lincoln any chance??:rolleyes:
 
I had a chat to someone at the local tyre joint this week about track rubber, and he recommended Toyo 888s. (i think that was what they were called)

Does anyone know much about them? He said they were serious track tyres, but i didn't get much of a chance to go into more detail.
 
GTI124 said:
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Hankook Ventus K102 - sorry, don't know much about this tyre. Hankook as a brand tend to rate in the bottom half of tyre tests though. I'm not sure if they're good value for money, as I've never gotten a quote on them.

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Cheers, Lincoln
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These tyres were on my Mi16 when I got it.
I have been quite happy with them. They grip well in wet or dry.
In fact I have been wondering, when they need replacing, whether to change brands or not.
 
C_Balls said:
Still on the search for some good tyres that are not too pricey.

Are all you S16/GTi6 drivers paying upwards of $160 per corner.

It seems all the prices im getting are $165 and up for the likes of C-Drives, GS-D3, Micheling Preceda ($200+:eek: ), one dealer recommended P6000 - were these original fitment on GTi6? What are peoples experiances.

I have an S16 and want a tyre that does the car justice but hopefully not at the expense of high noise or quick tyre wear. Could justify $170-180 if there was the benefit of the tyres lasting 20-30% longer than a cheaper tyre. Car currently has Michelin Pilot HX - seem pretty good to a novice like me, buit getting long in the tooth now.

Any thoughts? Dont want to drop anyone in it, but Lincoln (aka GTI124) did a really nice run down back in 2003 and seems to be the resident guru.

Um Lincoln any chance??:rolleyes:
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I'm not around as much as I used to be, as I'm now living on the other side of the world and it's also been a while since I had a Pug! There really aren't any tyres out there that make so much noise as to annoy you. The Pirelli P6000s are supposed to be quiet, yet I thought the FM901s were just as quiet, if not quieter.

If you get a tyre which has more grip, it'll wear more, simple really. So I don't think spending more (as you say: $170-$180) then you'll get more tyre life. You'll get more grip, which will make you stop and turn quicker. Enough to save your life in an emergency stop, IMO.

The cheaper the tyre, the longer it tends to last. I think the pick in the longevity stakes would be the Toyo Gu:wn or Yoko c.drives.

Overall pick in the $170-$180 mark would be the F1 GS-D3 or Preceda. If you can stretch further, I like Goodyear Revspec RS-02, which have just been put on my old Pug. I'll have an opinion on them when I come back to Oz in May.

Also, a Michelin HX or today's equivalent, would still be around the $180 mark, but should last quite a while too.
 
Roland said:
These tyres were on my Mi16 when I got it.
I have been quite happy with them. They grip well in wet or dry.
In fact I have been wondering, when they need replacing, whether to change brands or not.
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Why not? If you're happy with them, and they are good value, then stick to them! :) Let us know how you go.
 
al said:
I had a chat to someone at the local tyre joint this week about track rubber, and he recommended Toyo 888s. (i think that was what they were called)

Does anyone know much about them? He said they were serious track tyres, but i didn't get much of a chance to go into more detail.
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Defiantely a serious track day tyre. I believe they're pretty good value too! Best bet is to find your nearest motorsport tyre dealer and have a chat to them about options. Continental's R compound looks to be quite nice too.
 
jo proffi said:
it rained last night, and in the fuego,was able to evaluate the a539 in the wet, and they dont hang on as well as the c-drive.The a539 is a lot more fun though, because it looses traction in a very linear way, as opposed to the c drives who hang on longer, but let go with more suddeness.All in all, the c drive is definatly a superior tyre.Without resorting to the handbreak, which is against my rules,I could not get the a539 front end to make the c-drive rear end loose it,despite the fact that it was raining hard, and the c-drives are nearly slicks.Thats the way I like my fuego set up.If I'm going to stack,I'd rather be going forwards!!
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Very typical of Yokohamas... not very linear, can suddenly break traction on you and catch you out. They're more motorsport oriented in that respect.
 
PUG20G said:
Apologies in advance for posting the (slightly) wrong thread. As this seems to be more active I thought I might get more of a faster response.

The time has come for replacement of the OEM Goodyear F1s on a 206GTi (mux edition :) ) - FYI they are 205/45R16. I was quite keen on the Yoko C.Drives but it turns out that they are unavailable, with shipment coming in a few months time.

As I am no longer the main driver of the vehicle, so there isn't the same need to go for as high a performance tyre as the F1s - but given the profile/size, high performance is all you really get to choose from (not bad in some peoples opinion I guess :)).

Anyway, current choices with prices (also let me know if prices seem reasonable) are:

Yoko A.Drives: ~220; Yoko ES100: ~210; Falken ZE-512 or FK-451: ~$160; Falken ZE-326: ~140.
Both tyre prices taken from respective specialist dealers.

Some other info to help you assist me with the decision.

1. Vehicle is hands of another family member where cornering etc would not nowhere get near a workout as what I would do (I am not that aggressive either but in relative terms I am).

2. I was impressed with the F1s inthe wet and would like something that didn't turn into a slick in the wet.

3. Milage and comfort would be the two things that would go up in lieu of max-limit grip. Happy for that tradeoff as long as control in the wet remains resonable.

I am leaning to one of the higher priced Falkens (in terms of price for current requirements) but would be happy to go to F1s successor (GS-D3) if they were at a similar price to them.

Thanks - and look forward to some responses/experiences.

EDIT: Forgot (a big forgot) - budget is somewhat important this time around - hence the desire to save upto $80/corner.
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If money is an issue, I'd see if you can get some Sumitomo HTRZ IIs. They're cheap, quiet and are fantastic in the dry and wet with loads of communication. I think they'd suit the 206 quite well indeed.
 
GTI124 said:
Why not? If you're happy with them, and they are good value, then stick to them! :) Let us know how you go.
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The Mi16, being Front Wheel Drive, the front tyres are wearing more than the back tyres and I've been wondering when to swap the front and back so that all tyres need replacing at the same time.

I estimate that the wear of the front is at about twice as fast as the rear.

I was thinking that I would leave them until the front had the minimum legal depth + 1 or 2mm and then swap them to the back.


Any suggestions?
 
Roland said:
The Mi16, being Front Wheel Drive, the front tyres are wearing more than the back tyres and I've been wondering when to swap the front and back so that all tyres need replacing at the same time.
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I rotate tyres every 10k and get even wear across all four. Two schools of thought:
  1. rotate and replace all four at once
  2. don't rotate and only buy two at a time
 
Roland said:
The Mi16, being Front Wheel Drive, the front tyres are wearing more than the back tyres and I've been wondering when to swap the front and back so that all tyres need replacing at the same time.

I estimate that the wear of the front is at about twice as fast as the rear.

I was thinking that I would leave them until the front had the minimum legal depth + 1 or 2mm and then swap them to the back.


Any suggestions?
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As Kermit said, you should be rotating frequently so there's little difference between front and rear. Depending on how old the tyres are and condition, you might be better off replacing all four regardless of tread too.
 
Does anyone know of a place in Sydney that stocks Toyo tyres?

I have already checked the site listings and most places dont have them anymore

Thanks
 
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greetings!
have any of you guys any info on the merits or otherwise of pirelli's new dragon "ultra high performance tyre"?
it is listed on the pirelli site with the pzero range and seems one up on the p7 but beneath the pzero nero. the tyre is a specially made for asia/middle-east (like michelin's pilot preceda) and i worry about compounding for slickly wet conditions. (i loved my p5000 drago tyres but they have long departed)
last point of interest is that bob jane's is currently running special prices on it.
my bridgestone potenza re711 are almost worn out (shit structure - they really operate at high slip angles but the double compound is brilliant; i am finally enjoying them now they're nearly worn out and down to the soft compound and with more stable tread blocks). i was thinking bridgestone g111 but now.....
what i'd really like is pilot exalto 2 tyres but they're not brought into oz - grrr!

thanks for any news, peter
 
Wow, 4 years have passed and nothing much has changed in tyres.


Jo
 
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