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pugrambo said:
My father had a Centura for many years, no sign of rust anywhere.
It was a 2 litre auto and was near 100% reliable.
Graham
That other French car...
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My father had a Centura for many years, no sign of rust anywhere.
It was a 2 litre auto and was near 100% reliable.
Graham
Ray Bell said:
Try here
http://www.carroantigo.com/foto_associados/1969_esplanada.htm
pugrambo said:
Nothing to do with France there. It was Shelby and his team who created the Sunbeam Tiger (Sunbeam Alpine mit V8) this was in the Rootes Group era, post Sunbeam-Talbot pre Chrysler/ Peugeot-Talbot.
What a man! Excellent... that is obviously Ardun-based with the plugs close together like that.
And look at the similarity to the 404 rocker cover shape too. Even more I'm convinced it would make a great hotrod engine!
And you know, I'd forgotten that Shelby was involved with the Tigers.
I sneaked the engine pic off that site and enlarged it a bit...
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Ray Bell said:
i'd heard about it but i wasn't quite sure what the involvement was hence the reason i asked
even though it's not french but the tiger has to be one of my all time fav cars from the first time i ever saw maxwell smart driving one
Was that a Tiger or a late model Alpine?
I'm sure it was just an Alpine, probably 1725cc or raw pommie power.
I'm sure it was just an Alpine, probably 1725cc or raw pommie power.
Ray Bell said:
the blue one was a tiger
the red one he had was the alpine
wider wheels than the alpine
I suppose I only ever saw the red one... I very rarely watched that show.
Anyway... back to the topic.
Gerry, do we get a new forum for Simcas and other French makes?
Anyway... back to the topic.
Gerry, do we get a new forum for Simcas and other French makes?
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It seems to have been a common arrangement in the early days, pre WW1.Ray Bell said:
Three examples.....
Talbot was the english agent for Clement to start with....Cars were sold as Clement-Talbots.
Early Peugeot cars were sold as Friswell-Peugeot- apparently Friswell was the english agent.
Very early Delages were also sold in england under the Friswell name. I'd like more info on Friswell if anyone has any, BTW.
Farmerdave
Ray Bell said:
i actually got it slightly bummed up
the red one was the tiger and it is on show at the playboy mansion
apparently he liked the car so much during the series he was given the car at the end of it and then gave it to his daughter who then mistreated it
anyway..............
Google is illuminating on this...
So even when he had the Tiger, which was the red one, he had a 4-cylinder version.
This site goes on to explain that he also had a Karmann Ghia and an Opel...
So even when he had the Tiger, which was the red one, he had a 4-cylinder version.
This site goes on to explain that he also had a Karmann Ghia and an Opel...
Borgward Isobella
Not sure if this is right spelling, forum, name, or origin, but if anyone in Adelaide has to have a Borgward Isobella, PM me, I saw one under a tarp in Klemzig last night.
cheers ed ge
Not sure if this is right spelling, forum, name, or origin, but if anyone in Adelaide has to have a Borgward Isobella, PM me, I saw one under a tarp in Klemzig last night.
cheers ed ge
That other French? car.
The Sunbeam Alpine Tiger with its 289? Ford engine was to become an embarrassment for Chrysler, sitting in the showrooms with the Ford engine!
Further red faces at Chrysler when they were marketing the Vedette with its Ford based engine.
Great info coming through with all these sites. I was never into the Vedette during my Simca period. The background to the V8 is very interesting, news to me that the V8-60 was English. American midget speedcars used the V8-60 engines after WW2. Where did the Yanks source them from?
The Ford Pilot connection was known but they were around in '48..'50's. The Ford Thames trucks used them as well I believe.
Some one may correct me here. I read that the '50's Thames truck cabs were a copy of the Simca Unic truck.
The Sunbeam Alpine Tiger with its 289? Ford engine was to become an embarrassment for Chrysler, sitting in the showrooms with the Ford engine!
Further red faces at Chrysler when they were marketing the Vedette with its Ford based engine.
Great info coming through with all these sites. I was never into the Vedette during my Simca period. The background to the V8 is very interesting, news to me that the V8-60 was English. American midget speedcars used the V8-60 engines after WW2. Where did the Yanks source them from?
The Ford Pilot connection was known but they were around in '48..'50's. The Ford Thames trucks used them as well I believe.
Some one may correct me here. I read that the '50's Thames truck cabs were a copy of the Simca Unic truck.
Wildebeest... the site says that the V8 60 was made first in England, then in France, then America. Each, seemingly, had their own finishing touches.
The Tigers began life with the 260.
The Tigers began life with the 260.
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Wildebeest said:The Sunbeam Alpine Tiger with its 289? Ford engine was to become an embarrassment for Chrysler, sitting in the showrooms with the Ford engine!
Further red faces at Chrysler when they were marketing the Vedette with its Ford based engine.
Great info coming through with all these sites. I was never into the Vedette during my Simca period. The background to the V8 is very interesting, news to me that the V8-60 was English. American midget speedcars used the V8-60 engines after WW2. Where did the Yanks source them from?
The Ford Pilot connection was known but they were around in '48..'50's. The Ford Thames trucks used them as well I believe.
Some one may correct me here. I read that the '50's Thames truck cabs were a copy of the Simca Unic truck.
The Ford Pilot was from Ex USA factory as was design for motor.
You can still buy new V8 60's!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.replicaengines.com/products/ford.htm
Wildebeest said:
that's what killed the production of the tiger after 7000 odd cars were made
the MKII was the 289 powered car
the MKI had the 260ci engine
the body had to be modified to fit the engine in but at least if gave the car some substance as the alpine was a pretty pathetic car performance wise
it just didn't have the power to go with the sporty looks
That other French car.
Ray,
I wonder what purpose the V8-60 was put in the US. It would seem to be a wimpish engine for that part of the world, 150 cubic inch or less? :wink2:
Ray Bell said:
Ray,
I wonder what purpose the V8-60 was put in the US. It would seem to be a wimpish engine for that part of the world, 150 cubic inch or less? :wink2:
Slightly off topic but good Aussie connection.
Sunbeam Alpines
In the early sixties, Jack Brabham, too, had ideas for vastly improving the Alpine's performance. His workshops were already involved in the production of tuning kits for the Alpine but, likes Rootes' development department, Brabham realized that the only real way to increase the Alpine's performance was to install a larger engine. To this end, he had several discussions with Rootes representatives and in particular, Peter Ware, suggesting the installation of an American V8 engine. However, as Brabham remembers, "They were listening but seemed embarrassed at the idea of an American engine in one of their cars."
Brabham is honest enough to admit that he was hoping Rootes would agree to his Alpine V8 ideas because of the inevitable increase in work this would give his engineering business. "We had the manpower and the knowhow," he continued, "and could have undertaken series production modifying standard Alpines and fitting V8 engines."
The proposed American Ford unit measured just 20 inches (508 mm) across the cylinder banks whereas the Daimler engine was over 28 inches (771.2 mm) and had a rear mounted distributor. This accounted for the difficulty Rootes' development department had in installing the Daimler engine into the Alpine.
Sunbeam Alpines
In the early sixties, Jack Brabham, too, had ideas for vastly improving the Alpine's performance. His workshops were already involved in the production of tuning kits for the Alpine but, likes Rootes' development department, Brabham realized that the only real way to increase the Alpine's performance was to install a larger engine. To this end, he had several discussions with Rootes representatives and in particular, Peter Ware, suggesting the installation of an American V8 engine. However, as Brabham remembers, "They were listening but seemed embarrassed at the idea of an American engine in one of their cars."
Brabham is honest enough to admit that he was hoping Rootes would agree to his Alpine V8 ideas because of the inevitable increase in work this would give his engineering business. "We had the manpower and the knowhow," he continued, "and could have undertaken series production modifying standard Alpines and fitting V8 engines."
The proposed American Ford unit measured just 20 inches (508 mm) across the cylinder banks whereas the Daimler engine was over 28 inches (771.2 mm) and had a rear mounted distributor. This accounted for the difficulty Rootes' development department had in installing the Daimler engine into the Alpine.