many Renaults and parts *STOLEN*, Epping VIC :(

Before everyone gets too high on their horses. I would remind that this is quite a specialised area with lots of legal pitfalls and sidetracks on proving ownership, especially when the property is contracted for care in the hands of third parties, or certain conditions exist that may be written or implied to an extent they can have an impact.

I was fortunate to learn a lot of those pitfalls and ways around them, through my then Boss Detective Sergeant Colin Hammond who spent years in the Victoria Police Stolen Motor Vehicle Squad investigating many complicated transactions that often spent years in Civil Litigation to recover property to their rightful owners.

There are many processes to go through before rights are established sufficient to seize or even detain property. He bought a lot of that experience and expertise to the CIB Dealers Squad where I worked for quite a number of years and that also helped in sorting out many ownership issues for high value jewellery and equipment seized by police.

At least most of those items were quite small by comparison, but of high value. Sometimes you wished you hadn't seized or taken into possession some property as in some instances it had to remain in our custody and care for many years while courts both criminal and civil made rulings on restoration and in some cases an order might also specify damages.

Then there are cases where theft (an essential element in some return of property orders cannot be established) due to civil elements/transactions/promises intervene, and those that dealt with property can also resort to civil litigation to try and reinforce their own claims as well.

So quite a legal minefield, and not one for any to travel unless you have unlimited monies to expend. So just some caution unless your are prepared or motivated to underwrite Vivid's already high cost incurred in this event. Hopefully these later developments will help him in the resolution and restoration of that property to his care. Certainly helpful if anyone has information or knows where individual cars are now located and the chain of custody etc. back to the original transactor.

Ken
 
Either way. A police report is a police report. It is just a record of a statement by some dude (you). The police take down whatever you have to say. For the purpose of having a record that you said that. What they do after that is another matter, but if you show up in a police station and want to report some property stolen they have to take a report. Not to investigate if you have a civil claim or whatever. That is a job for lawyers not policemen.

My guess is they didn't want to take you seriously because you were some dude on the phone. If you had been in there with documents I think they would have had less of a chance to dismiss you. I can sort of see what they were thinking (this can be some dude off his face who thinks aliens kidnapped his granma in a flying saucer" or something like that). Well, doing business over the phone is hard.
 
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Either way. A police report is a police report. It is just a record of a statement by some dude (you). The police take down whatever you have to say. For the purpose of having a record that you said that. What they do after that is another matter, but if you show up in a police station and want to report some property stolen they have to take a report. Not to investigate if you have a civil claim or whatever. That is a job for lawyers not policemen.
my understanding is a statement is not a police report. I was told by the officer that they needed to decide ( and told me they would proceed ) if a report would be made.
 
Well, okay. Even if you only made a statement, they have to have some record of it the same way they do when you report your car stolen or your house broken into so you can have your insurance pay.
 
Well, okay. Even if you only made a statement, they have to have some record of it the same way they do when you report your car stolen or your house broken into so you can have your insurance pay.
insurance definitely want an official police report. The sergeants words, "we need to establish a crime has been committed, and the nature before we file a report, and forward it for investigation"
 
I think they have had enough time and sufficient proof that a crime has been committed since you had to buy back your car from someone after you did not sell it to anyone.

Let alone that if you go and declare your car stolen they don't "establish" anything. They just give you the report number and you take that to your insurer.
 
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