Feugo with mid-mounted 24V V6

Europa,

How much does Alpine Affaire sell naturally aspirated GTAs for?

From what I can find out the GTA is less refined, but also cheaper and lighter than the A610.

Dave

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fiveohs:
I have driven and been in a few 504s with V6 engines, but most have been dissapointing, except for the cool engine note. The one modified 90 degree V6 504 I drove had a great engine, and the 60 degree V6 406s I've been in had awesome sounding V6s too. So I think there is alot of potential for these various V6 engines if modified appropriately and mounted in something smaller and more sporty than a 504/505/604/605/406/607/Laguna, etc.
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I guess the Clio V6 pretty well fits the idea of shoehorning big engines into small cars.

The old PRV V6 is a pretty tough motor, but it's also a heavy lump of a thing, especially compared to the newer stuff out there.

I have heard of someone in the UK fitting one to a Lotus Europa, turned out to be a lot harder than expected. "Never again" was the feedback I heard!
 
fiveohs:
How much does Alpine Affaire sell naturally aspirated GTAs for?

From what I can find out the GTA is less refined, but also cheaper and lighter than the A610.
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I'm not sure exactly what prices they go for, I'd expect $50K +

You could always give Colin a call on 03 9879 1961

They are quite cheap in the UK, the Turbo version would be a lot of fun :)
 
A couple of RCCQ guys in Brisbane fitted one of the PRV V6's into a Fuego. It was at the Bastile Day display and I think there was a photo of it posted on this forum.
Going by memory, I think one of the guys that did the conversion said that the V6 was lighter than the 4 and that they had to cut down the front springs to lower the ride height.
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Ren
cheers!
 
REN TIN TIN:

Going by memory, I think one of the guys that did the conversion said that the V6 was lighter than the 4 :confused:
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I'd like to see figures to back that up, both engines are of similar construction (ie. Alloy head/block, liners)

I would find it very surprising if that was the case. Apart from two extra cylinders, you've also got an extra cam/sprocket and they are chain driven (gotta be heavier than a single toothed belt!)
 
REN TIN TIN:

Going by memory, I think one of the guys that did the conversion said that the V6 was lighter than the 4 :confused:
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If that is the case why did the Fuego V6 that was created originally handle like a pig?? I find it hard to believethat the V6 is lighter than the 4.
 
REN TIN TIN
[QB]I think one of the guys that did the conversion said that the V6 was lighter than the 4 and that they had to cut down the front springs to lower the ride height.[QB]
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If he said that, he was sriously mistaken. The lightest version of the 12V PRV V6 weighs 156kg with accessories. The 2 litre Renault Feugo motor weighs about 120kg, so the V6 is quite a bit heavier.

To confirm this I've manhandled both the V6 and a 504 2 litre and the V6 was most definitely alot heavier than the 504 2 litre, which in turn is supposed to be about 15kg heavier than the Feugo motor.

Dave
 
I've been doing some reasearch on the ocsts of getting a right hand drive naturally aspirated Alpine GTA to Australia.

According to Classic and Sportscar, rough versions sell for about 1750 pounds at the moment which translates to about AUD$4900 at the moment (much cheaper than I thought).

My sister works in shipping and I asked her what a 20 foot container would cost (at cost, not profit) to import into Australia from the UK and it comes to less than $3000.

So that means it's feasible to get one here for under $8000 (wow!). Of course you'd have to fit a 760, R25 or 605/XM spec engine in NSW, to pass emissions laws, so that's another cost.

I'm not a fan of the way the GTA looks in standard form, but having seen a few with after market wheels, I've decided that it's mainly the standard alloy wheels (which look alot like plastic hubcaps) which ruin the look. With the right set of wheels, and the right colour, they can look very nice.

According to Clasic and Sportscar, rough A310's and A610's can sell for as low as 2000 pounds, but I think that's optimistic for a RHD considering there isn't that many in Britain. As an indication there was less than 1000 of the less desirable GTA sold there.

Dave
 
fiveohs:
According to Clasic and Sportscar, rough A310's and A610's can sell for as low as 2000 pounds, but I think that's optimistic for a RHD considering there isn't that many in Britain. As an indication there was less than 1000 of the less desirable GTA sold there.

Dave
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Also it is only the GTA and A610 which are available in factory RHD. The A310 has to be converted, but Alpine Affaire in Melbourne can do the compliance and conversion on all models.
 
Simon:
fiveohs:
According to Clasic and Sportscar, rough A310's and A610's can sell for as low as 2000 pounds, but I think that's optimistic for a RHD considering there isn't that many in Britain. As an indication there was less than 1000 of the less desirable GTA sold there.

Dave
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Also it is only the GTA and A610 which are available in factory RHD. The A310 has to be converted, but Alpine Affaire in Melbourne can do the compliance and conversion on all models.
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Of course the conversion would cost your right testicle :)

An A310 would be an excellent club car though.......
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Originally posted by Europa:
I have heard of someone in the UK fitting one to a Lotus Europa, turned out to be a lot harder than expected. "Never again" was the feedback I heard!
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Europa, in a Brooklands Books road test book I recently bought, there was a Europa with a Rover V8 conversion - have you seen this?

Stuey
 
fiveohs:


I have driven and been in a few 504s with V6 engines, but most have been dissapointing, except for the cool engine note. The one modified 90 degree V6 504 I drove had a great engine, and the 60 degree V6 406s I've been in had awesome sounding V6s too. So I think there is alot of potential for these various V6 engines if modified appropriately and mounted in something smaller and more sporty than a 504/505/604/605/406/607/Laguna, etc.

Dave
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Dave
it's a pity you never drove my V6 504 when i was using it as a daily driver
now that was a car that really went well
that car would have changed your mind about V6 504's
there was a very nice injected V6 504 in canberra that had 11:1 forged pistons in it that i think would have gone pretty well also
oh well
just have to see how my projects plan out :D
 
Stuey:
Originally posted by Europa:
I have heard of someone in the UK fitting one to a Lotus Europa, turned out to be a lot harder than expected. "Never again" was the feedback I heard!
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Europa, in a Brooklands Books road test book I recently bought, there was a Europa with a Rover V8 conversion - have you seen this?

Stuey
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Yep, quite a famous one that: <a href="http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/seven/pics/cars/47d/index.html" target="_blank">Click here</a>

It's still going as far as I can tell. Not really much left of a "standard" Europa (whatever that is!) - shoehorning a V8 in it means completely modified chassis/suspension etc.

There are some other nicely modded Europa's here: <a href="http://www.banks-europa.co.uk/" target="_blank">Banks</a>

Alfa V6:
<img src="http://www.banks-europa.co.uk/images/scans/cars/62S/62s_15.jpg" alt=" - " />

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pugrambo:
[Dave
it's a pity you never drove my V6 504 when i was using it as a daily driver
now that was a car that really went well
that car would have changed your mind about V6 504's
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Sean,

I said most, not all. The modified one I mentioned went very well. It would have gone better still if it didn't have such a tall diff ratio (3.58:1), but he was using a BA10 4 speed, so I understand why he chose that diff.

Dave
 
Doe anybody know which gearbox the GTA uses, and which other Renault models it shares it with (R30, R25?).

Dave
 
fiveohs:
Doe anybody know which gearbox the GTA uses, and which other Renault models it shares it with (R30, R25?).

Dave
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I just found these specs on a GT-40 replica website:

Model Part No. Ist 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Rev Diff

20 369.00 3.36 2.06 1.38 1.06 0.82 3.55 4.11

369.05 3.36 2.06 1.38 1.06 0.82 3.55 4.11

20TX 369 3.36 2.06 1.38 1.06 0.87 3.55 3.778

20LS/TS 369 3.82 2.18 1.41 1.03 0.86 3.55 3.778

21Turbo UN1-013 3.36 2.05 1.38 1.03 0.82 3.54 3.44

25GTX UN 1-03 3.36 2.05 1.38 1.04 0.82 3.55 3.89

25V6 UN 1-04 3.36 2.05 1.38 0.96 0.76 3.55 3.89

AlpineGTA UN1-05 3.36 2.05 1.38 1.04 0.82 3.55 3.44

25 Blindee UN 1-06 3.36 2.05 1.38 0.96 0.76 3.55 4.11

Alpine Turbo UN1-07 3.36 2.05 1.38 0.96 0.76 3.55 3.44

25V6 Turbo UN1-08 3.36 2.05 1.38 0.96 0.76 3.55 3.778

30TX 369-01/06/017 3.36 2.05 1.38 1.06 0.82 3.55 3.89

30TS 369-01/06/014 3.36 2.05 1.38 1.06 0.82 3.55 3.89

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You'll need a UN1 for the power/torque. Lotus Esprits are fitted with "beefed up" versions of this box. I believe Renault only make it for Lotus these days.

They are a *monster* box compared to the 395/365 series.

Also, a little hard to obtain in Australia, as no cars with that series of gearbox were ever sold here.
 
Europa:

Also, a little hard to obtain in Australia, as no cars with that series of gearbox were ever sold here.
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But apparently they are cheap in the US where they were fitted to the unloved Eagle Medallion.

Dave
 
fiveohs:
But apparently they are cheap in the US where they were fitted to the unloved Eagle Medallion.
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Oh yeh, you'll find them overseas alright, inc. NZ

They are big and heavy buggers to post, although I suppose you could split them into component parts...

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