Wank tank utes-What to buy?

Kim Luck said:
I've always thought these military specced IVECO utes looked the goods. Drive on car licence, 3500kg towing capacity, 3 x lockable diffs, 1950kg load capacity, what more could you want? IVECO 4x4 utes

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have you seen one in person? they are useless. You'd need to own a damn forklift to get anything into that tray. Do you like lifting anything you ever want to move to shoulder height ..... :clown:
 
DoubleChevron said:
have you seen one in person? they are useless. You'd need to own a damn forklift to get anything into that tray. Do you like lifting anything you ever want to move to shoulder height ..... :clown:
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I'm 1.9m tall and find the tray height is only a problem for people with duck's disease. The Iveco also carries quite a heap more than a Range Rover in both cubes and mass. I forgot, it's actually built by truck specialists for the military and commercial markets, not to fit into the suburban status symbol category, so it doesn't fit the "wank tank" description........
 
Kim Luck said:
I'm 1.9m tall and find the tray height is only a problem for people with duck's disease. The Iveco also carries quite a heap more than a Range Rover in both cubes and mass. I forgot, it's actually built by truck specialists for the military and commercial markets, not to fit into the suburban status symbol category, so it doesn't fit the "wank tank" description........
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2wd?? The 4wd ones are crazy high (either that or all the ones I've seen are "lifted" ). My brother inlaw has a 2wd iveco.... its brilliant. The tray is at a height a normal person could load it too :)
 
DoubleChevron said:
2wd?? The 4wd ones are crazy high (either that or all the ones I've seen are "lifted" ). My brother inlaw has a 2wd iveco.... its brilliant. The tray is at a height a normal person could load it too :)
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They are built that high at the factory apparently and have very good approach, departure and ramp-over angles as befitting a "proper" 4x4. They don't need 'lifting'..........
 
baldrick56 said:
'Not Chinese' is one reason why I went for the Mahindra - was a toss up between that or the 'Tata' - both available in multiple formats (single cab, double cab, tray, tub, 2WD, 4WD etc) reading reviews I formed the opinion the Mahindra's a slightly nicer drive so went looking for one of those. More than one year in I'm not regretting that decision (I bought secondhand, mines 7 years out of date now). Don't get me wrong, it's not an 'exciting' drive {seriously is any ute?}, but competent enough, the 2.2 "m-hawk" is a really willing unit despite its smaller size - and seems pretty good on fuel. It does have some "idiosyncracies" - 5th gear is 'ridiculously' high ratio (only for freeways & >60Kmh) - which I like, hey the 'overdrive' lives on. Turning circle is almost comically bad (even compared to 'Traction Avant'!) - its a "six point turn" if you need to swap directions in an urban street :), my phone won't 'talk' to the radio through usb, but I reckon they're all liveable with.
I'd say give it a look - but (I think) it's the towing capacity that doesn't get to your spec (believe it's 2.5 tonne max but might be other options?)
Regards,
Rob
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Local farmer bought a Mahindra jeep with a Peugeot diesel engine a long time ago - maybe 1980's. Rough old bloke, seat wouldn't go back far enough so he took a crowbar to it and punched a bigger hole. Looked a proper jeep with a soft top.
 
Our construction dualcab work fleet over last 5 years had hilux, colarado, navara, ranger, triton etc. Over time due turnover, warranty claims, reliability and price, we have settled on 2018+ triton or ranger autos as most reliable vehicles. The ranger 3.2L diesel is a better tow vehicle (cubic capacity) but the triton has a better auto gearbox for towing and more nimble in the tight stuff. :2cents:
 
I think one important thing to consider (not mentioned yet) is the mass you want to tow in relation to that of the vehicle. If that exceeds the vehicle you will have some problems, not matter what. Think of a pendulum with two unequal weights at the ends. Which one do you think will impose what they do? Unfortunate, but that's how it is. Check the mass of the vehicles suggested here, that might narrow it down a bit.
 
Gross Combination Mass (GCM) is set by the manufacturer and can only be changed with engineering approval by a certified transport engineer, likewise the GVM (Gross Vehicle Mass) which is the basis of calculations made regarding the GCM of a vehicle, and it's all on the capacity plate. Exceed any of the figures at your peril!.
 
All that is known but in practice you tow what you have to tow and some utes do it better than others. Police leave you alone if you're towing an odd beast like a crutching trailer or a field bin. Round balers are brutes to tow because they put all the force downwards on the tow bar and set up bounce if you go faster than 40k's or so. Great fun towing across the state and a treat for other motorists on the highway. Of course towing has to be done carefully particularly if animals are being carted. Something like a 16 foot combine puts oncoming drivers in the dirt but Wimmera drivers are used to it. Makes you very conscious of bridge widths.
 
Russell Hall said:
All that is known but in practice you tow what you have to tow and some utes do it better than others. Police leave you alone if you're towing an odd beast like a crutching trailer or a field bin. Round balers are brutes to tow because they put all the force downwards on the tow bar and set up bounce if you go faster than 40k's or so. Great fun towing across the state and a treat for other motorists on the highway. Of course towing has to be done carefully particularly if animals are being carted. Something like a 16 foot combine puts oncoming drivers in the dirt but Wimmera drivers are used to it. Makes you very conscious of bridge widths.
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So, Russell, are you saying you may have at times "unwittingly" exceeded the GCM of your towing vehicle? I can remember being entertained behind four or five self powered pea harvesters for ages on the Newell Highway one year!
 
Kim Luck said:
Gross Combination Mass (GCM) is set by the manufacturer and can only be changed with engineering approval by a certified transport engineer, likewise the GVM (Gross Vehicle Mass) which is the basis of calculations made regarding the GCM of a vehicle, and it's all on the capacity plate. Exceed any of the figures at your peril!.
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I am thinking more about the mass of the vehicle itself. If that is less than the trailer, you will never feel at ease even if you are within the limits specified by the manufacturer. But if there is no choice, I think I would try to keep the difference at a minimum.
 
A prime mover might have a GVM of 12 tonnes and a GCM of 62.5 tonnes as a B-Double. Explain how your theory works there, Schlitzy!
 
Dislike people who drive fast when pulling horses or livestock in trailers and floats. Consequences beyond the brainless drivers.
 
Russell Hall said:
Dislike people who drive fast when pulling horses or livestock in trailers and floats. Consequences beyond the brainless drivers.
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Depends what you call fast. Some people think you can't go over 80 even when towing a little 6x4.
I know my daughter will do 100 on the freeway pulling 2 horses, is that fast? On a smooth wide freeway I don't think so. Of course on back roads and corners is a different thing, especially round abouts when she's slower than the pedestrians.
People have been asking her to move there horses because she's so smooth and gentle and yet she sits on the speed limit.
 
Judged by consequences. Bull killed on a Sydney highway when a tandem overturned recently, too many horse deaths in float crashes caused by poor driving or poor equipment.
 
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