Hi Aussies,
Do you like that ?
Do you like that ?
DeKa said:I liked it. If I had money to burn I would have bought one!
Derek :bounce:
Simon said:You would be burning money if you did buy one, if the trend on Aussie Laguna depreciation was the same for a Vel Satan!!
I'd be prepared to live with that - a great successor to the Safrane. I would imagine buyers of the Vel Satis would generally be unlikely to wash the car themselves anyway :wink2:Simon said:I'ts hardly what you would call a car wash friendly car. Imagine cleaning the bugs out of all the little impressions on the bumper bar. You wouldn't want a white one........
Europa said:I'd be prepared to live with that - a great successor to the Safrane. I would imagine buyers of the Vel Satis would generally be unlikely to wash the car themselves anyway :wink2:
French-frog said:What you saying is you cannot find any on your big Ireland > Shame on you ! :roflmao: And about the Avantime it wasn't even a Renault anyway. And the compagnie who made them died because of it....
Well, I guess every car has a concession to styling, it's just a matter of "how much"Simon said:I suppose I just consider fussy little bumps like that as being rather pointless, sort of like the scrolly patterns that used to be impressed on Japanese car trim back in the 1970's. It is not as if the bumps have a function, sort of hiding parking sensors or the like.
Europa said:Well, I guess every car has a concession to styling, it's just a matter of "how much"
And of course, every person has their own ideas about "too much" or "too little" - very very subjective - there is no right or wrong when it comes to this!
Well yes and no, but styling is only a component of the overall package.Simon said:I guess that's where the market comes into play, the car either sells or it doesn't!
Europa said:Well yes and no, but styling is only a component of the overall package.
It's all very well to have a car that looks like a Ferrari, but if it has a 2 speed automatic and a 500cc engine, it won't sell either.
Likewise, remember with something like a Vel Satis, chances are a lot of owners may have it as a company car (possibly no choice on their behalf) or on a lease arrangement. So there maybe drivers out there who don't like the styling at all, but the sale has been made as far as Renault is concerned.
I think BMW is trying something similar with the new styling of the 7 & 5 series. Lots of people expressing discontent there (also things like the iDrive system inside the car) Wonder what the depreciation is/will be like on those?Simon said:But if a car fails to have appeal to the general market place, it falls out of bed depreciation wise and the financiers in the case of company cars steer clear when the residuals blow out.
You then end up with the Mitsubishi Magna and Series 1 EA Falcon effect, company cars that have no appeal in the general secondhand market place, the resulting poor perception of the car based mainly on styling, affects the rest of the range. Fleet sales alone will not support a manufacturer, even Ford AUS realised that, they dropped the taxi version in their BA range to reduce the perception that all Falcons are taxi's.
In no way am I drawing parallels between a Vel Satis and a Magna, as I've no idea on the engineering, sales and residuals of the Vel Satis in its market places. But I'd imagine that Renault would be more concerned with secondhand and private purchaser appeal as well rather than just shoving cars out of the door as fleet sales.