Oil change

Chipper,
PM lubricants is an oil company. there head office is at oxley. they claim there oils will save you money and boost performance, they'll even do on site testing to see if the oil is holding up to its expectaions
 
I have access to Total oils here in Australia. I was considering going to them come next oil change. As they are always recommended by Citroen, I feel a certain amount of security in doing this but 2 questiona;
Has anyone had recent experience with Total?
How easy is Total oil to get in the rest of Australia & how expensive, as I can buy it for less than Valvoline?


Alan S
 
Just to throw a spanner in the works here, I changed the oil in my 205 on the weekend back to HPR 30 Penrite from Penrite Pedigree synthetic and it sure as hell has made the engine a touch quieter, not that its really noisy, but the difference was notable. I dont think it was just because it was new oil (4000 klm for the pedigree), but perhaps cause its a touch thicker and I used an additive called "Roil" (royal, sumpthin like that) and it has in combination with the new oil made the engine feel as slick as $#!t off a shiny shovel !!

This stuff actually penetrates the pours of the metal and releases upon friction like cold starts etc. A mate used to soak his gokart chain in this stuff and didnt lube it afterwards for bloody ages.

Anyone else heard of this stuff?

Chipper
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Chipper:
Just to throw a spanner in the works here, I changed the oil in my 205 on the weekend back to HPR 30 Penrite from Penrite Pedigree synthetic and it sure as hell has made the engine a touch quieter, not that its really noisy, but the difference was notable. I dont think it was just because it was new oil (4000 klm for the pedigree), but perhaps cause its a touch thicker and I used an additive called "Roil" (royal, sumpthin like that) and it has in combination with the new oil made the engine feel as slick as $#!t off a shiny shovel !!

This stuff actually penetrates the pours of the metal and releases upon friction like cold starts etc. A mate used to soak his gokart chain in this stuff and didnt lube it afterwards for bloody ages.

Anyone else heard of this stuff?

Chipper
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Hi Chipper,

I know this company well. I have had a fringe dweller association with them since around 1992. It's an MLM type of operation which was started by a guy called Tom Mower from the US. He was a research chemist who saw a lot of products fall by the wayside through lack of interest & development capital, & decided there was an opportunity to cash in on both his & his fellow researchers efforts by selling them via MLM. His greatest claim to fame was his invention of a substitute for chlorine for water purification after some kids were poisoned with chlorine. They sponsor Rosco Mc Glashen in the "Spirit of Australia" for his land speed record attempts, a couple of dragsters, go-karts, sprint cars & I think one or two V8 Supercars, all of which supposedly use this product.
I have seen testimonials over the years singing the virtues of the stuff but to be quite honest have never used it as although most of their gear is very expensive, it normally works well enough to justify the cost.
If anybody is intending using it, I would suggest that you "sign up" to become a distributor which I think is about $66 for initial sign up which includes all the videos, propoganda etc & thereafter $25 per annum for renewal but as the mark up is pretty attractive, this is usually quickly covered particularly if you have friends who also want to use it.
Before anybody starts jumping off the perch by telling me that I'm using this board for commercial advantage, get it clear, I really don't give a stuff who you sign up with, but I suppose with me & my missus you're not going to get hasseled as there is little chance of us benefitting as we don't harbour too many ambitions of life on the Riviera. I know people who have made a fair bit of dough selling the gear but I think it depends on whether you want to use it or make a business out of it or both
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If anyone wants more detailed info drop me a line on alans@aussiefrogs.com
and I'll scan a bit of stuff & send it to you.

Alan S
 
Yes I've heard of Roil, I once had the rep try to sell it to me, Slick 50, Roil, Nulon, there probably all the same and the reps will tell you there's is better, at work we use and recomend slick 50 mainly because my father being an engineer can read all the tests and has he says the Australian society of engineers independently test all of these and publish there results and slick 50 is the only company who publish these findings, we have slick 50 product books at work and every claim they make will state the society of engineers test paper number so anyone can contact the society and get facts first hand, none of the other companies do this.
I first heard about slick 50 about 15 years ago, the article talked about a Renault 12 rally car in QLD somewhere, where they split an oil line to the cooler in the middle of nowhere and pumped all the oil out, they figured they would try and drive out, figuring 1k they drive is 1k less to walk, with the oil light glowing they kept the revs down to a minimum and the car kept going, as there confidence grew there speed increased and soon they were back up to speed pulling 7000RPM in all gears and finished the event, got 3rd outright with no oil in the sump and the oil light glowing. Now I realise all companies probably claim similar stories but in our own cars I can see smoother idle, more power, better fuel economy, now I wouldn't say Roil or Nulon aunt as good as slick 50, all I'm saying is I know slick 50 works.
PS. I have product books at work I can mail out if people want some.

David.
 
David,
Far be it for me to argue, but I doubt very much that Roil is "the same" as anything. This guy Tom Mower is a bit of a crusader type who thrives on things he makes having the edge on the opposition & with copyright laws being as they are, his logic is that he is normally 5 years ahead of his opposition. Being a yank he is naturally litigation concious particularly as it relates to claims he makes (ah blew th' moto in my Caddy, boy ---- ah'm gorna sue ya fer millions) & has had to deal with the drug administration bodies world wide which he has done successfully for years.
It's the sort of thing you could get into an argument about real easy, but as I say I am only going on the company's say so & reputation. I do know of a locally produced additive which was constantly used by a guy who used to service my cars before I retired without my authority or approval & left me with 2 oil guzzling CX's which may explain my being sceptical ever since as regards additives, particularly in older motors.

Alan S
 
I have tried Slick 50 and a product called MBL. I believe these are similar concepts where copper and lead molecules are suspended in the oil base and these molecules "crush" into any score marks on bores, cams and the like to assist lubrication. Worked well, but this Roil doesnt contain any suspended elements, rather it looks like oil and penetrates the pores of the metal.

I saw a test with a torque bar/handle type thing, a small electric motor, a small metal wheel about the size of a 20c piece, and a rubbing block. The block was held in the handle with a screw and was pushed down on top of the small wheel that was being turned by the motor. The dude put just oil in the small receptical where the wheel picked up the oil, and it stalled out at about 20nm (memory hazy, wasnt very much pressure anyway), next he added a squirt of MBL and got 3 times the pressure up before the wheel stalled out. My old man being the kinda bloke he is, offered to soak this guys wheel in Roil for 5 minutes.

He was actually "bouncing" up and down on the torque bar and the wheel would not stall. He emptied all and any other oil near or on the wheel and did it again with the same result. Could not stall it.Got the emery paper out to give the wheel a good clean and rid it of any other contamanents.Same result
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He had to replace the wheel to continue his demonstrations as the Roil had penetrated the metal and was buggering up his act
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I can feel the idle is smoother, and the engine is as smooth as silk. This stuff is great.

Chipper
 
Hi Guys,

I've heard most of these products actualy repel oil, so every cold start of the engine, you actualy do considerably more damage than if you had used just normal oil with no additives. The problem is who do you believe?? Certainly not the people trying to flog you the stuff...

If these additives cost about $20 a pop, I'd prefer to spend that $20bucks on oil and change the oil twice as often. I reckon that'd be much better than filling your sump with additives trying to extend the life/charactoristics of your existing oil.

seeya,

Shane Leviston
 
i'm afraid i'm with you d/chevron, these additives are a waste of good $$. i have an extensive report from general motors usa regarding the results they found with additives particularly slick 50..they had no axe to grind but just wanted to find out for sure if there was any truth in them so as for future use in their cars for sevicing purposes. there is currently a hotrod mag in the newsagents about oil/ additives and they basically came up with the same as the GM [1995] report. do not improve anything only the suppliers wallet. in fact sometimes it was detrimental to the motor...the best way they said is to use a good quality oil right from the start.

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Hi Guys,

look what just got sent to the BX forum. I wonder what this slick 50 stuff really does to motors??

---------------------------------------------If it's anything like slip50 then don't. These type of friction
reducers contain particles of PTFE and being particles......well do I
need to explain anymore. It always used to amaze me how Slip50 and
other types of friction reducers got past trading standards (well
they didn't in the US). They contain particles...cars are fitted
with oil filters....filters remove particles.....so within seconds
the particles are blocking your oil filter and no longer in the oil.
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James:
I use Amsoil synthetic. They have a particularly large filter that I was amazed that fit !
I run this from a sandwich plate via oil cooler. Goes really well.
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James, how did you find Amsoil? I've ordered it for my first service with Paul Vasallo in Ryde (not the car's first service, it's done 34000kms). He recommends NEO but, if u can't afford it (it's $172 for 5L), he recommends Amsoil, saying it was better than the local Mobil 1, Castrol R, etc..

- Lincoln
 
$172 for oil??? I don't know how good oil can be, but can any oil be worth that much?

I'd figure it'd be better to get 3 lots of $50 oil and change the oil more frequently.

Cheers,

Justin
 
Oil additives.
You may be interested in the links to American Government reports on additives mallet question mallet

<a href="http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1995/9512/stp.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1995/9512/stp.htm</a>
STP

<a href="http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1997/9707/slick.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1997/9707/slick.htm</a>
Slick50

<a href="http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/9909/prolong.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/9909/prolong.htm</a>
prolong

<a href="http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/03/motor.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/03/motor.htm</a>
Dura Lube and Motor Up.

<a href="http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.htm</a>
Info on zMAX, "AS SEEN ON TV".

The links come from the peugoet-l forum in the US
forum member comment can be found on this link look down to the 18th for "Snake oil"

<a href="http://www.peugeotclub.org/peugeot/archive/General/2002/May/thread.html" target="_blank">http://www.peugeotclub.org/peugeot/archive/General/2002/May/thread.html</a>

Cheers Ranger.
 
Paul was saying that it used to be quite reasonable, but in the last year or so the price has skyrocketed for Neo Oil. If you're interested, here is a link to their website: <a href="http://www.neosyntheticoil.com/" target="_blank">http://www.neosyntheticoil.com/</a>

Paul said it was an ester-based oil, which was a natural detergent, which is the main cause for breakdown of oil, especially mineral based oils. All other synthetics are hydro-carbon based, with, supposedly Amsoil being the best of them at the moment. Here is their link <a href="http://www.amsoil.com/" target="_blank">http://www.amsoil.com/</a> Amsoil costs about $93 for 5L.

I agree though, that you could just use a normal oil and change it more frequently...

Will let you know if I notice a difference between Amsoil and the Mobil Super S Mineral oil that A&J threw in my GTI6.

:) Lincoln
 
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