Keyboard Comparison ID19 vs the rest

Simon

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Just thought I’d supply a few performance figures to tie up the various threads over the last few days as regards ID19’s beating 19’s and 18’s being a giant leap over a 12. Sources are from various UK and Aus magazines readily to hand.

R19 RT (Aus spec)
1721cc 68.5kW
0-100km/h 14.3 secs
400 metres 19.3 secs
164km/h top speec

R19TXE (Euro spec)
1721cc
0-60mph 11.4 secs
110km/h top speed

Citroen ID 19 (1959)
1911cc
0-60mph 19.9 secs
¼ mile 22.1 secs

Citroen BX TZI
1905cc 88kW
0-100km/h 10.3 secs
400m 17.2 secs

R12GL
1289cc 45kW
0-100km/h 14.5secs
400m 19.2 secs

R18GTS
1647cc 57.4kW
0-100km/h 13.9 secs
400m 19.5 secs
 
Europa:

Not a bad effort there, I wonder if it's down to curb weight?
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Kerb weight of 12GL is 950kg

Kerb weight of 19TXE is 1019kg

Kerb weight of 18GTS is 970kg
 
Guys,

those figures mean nothing to me. The R12 and R16's are revvy light feeling cars that always 'feel' eager to go. The R19 will accerate ok, but only if you have your foot rammed through the firewall. At any stage except for this it feel lethargic & gutless... Basicly I'd rather drive the ID19 as it at least has lotsa torque.

On all but near flat to the floor throttle settings the R19 is certainly no quicker than my '63 single barrel carby 1.9litre long stroke (big/heavy) ID19. I AM NOT exagerating tongue

Seriously go test drive one if you don't believe me mallet Then test drive a BX, it'll feel like a bloody rocket ship in comparison dance You won't be able to understand why the R19 is such a slug roll_lau

This is coming from someone that likes slow cars (ie: GS/2CV/Tractions/DS/ID etc...)...

seeya,
Shane L.
 
Are you sure the particular R19 in question isn't the main cause? I've only driven one and yeh it didn't feel amazingly quick, but I wouldn't have thought it was really, really slow either.

Wonder what the 16V R19 was like...
 
We got the a 16V R19 eventually when the Phase II was launched. Off the top of my head, it was good for 81kW.

I think there's a little type for the Euro R19's top speed. 110km/h, heck, I'm sure a 504 auto could beat that :)
 
Motor November 1993.

Peugeot 405 SRi v Renault 19 RT

<img src="http://users.bigpond.net.au/skystar/19b.jpg" alt=" - " />

Stats on the left are for the 405 2.0 auto, stats on the right are for the R19 1.7 manual - there is no mistake here, I haven't mixed them up, if you're thinking that :) So, maybe you just got a dud.

For more stats click <a href="http://users.bigpond.net.au/skystar/19a.jpg" target="_blank">here</a>

Cheers,

Justin
 
DoubleChevron:
Guys,

those figures mean nothing to me.
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Because they don’t prove that the Renault 19 was slower than the ID19? :)

DoubleChevron:


Seriously go test drive one if you don't believe me mallet Then test drive a BX, it'll feel like a bloody rocket ship in comparison dance You won't be able to understand why the R19 is such a slug roll_lau

This is coming from someone that likes slow cars (ie: GS/2CV/Tractions/DS/ID etc...)...

seeya,
Shane L.
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I have. My experience was of an age unknown ID19 way back in 1984ish. It was advertised in the Saturday paper as “Citroen ugly model, lots of money spent $500” at a dealer down he road. I thought by the description it could be an old 2CV, anyway it was a tin roof ID19 (white roof, maroon poorly sprayed body) with literally a ream of invoices and receipts on the passenger seat. By the time I found what I think was first gear I found the car just too big and too heavy to use as a daily driver, not to mention lots of creaks rattles and clunks from down below and returned the car. However it did seem to possess plenty of torque as you have indicated, but it was certainly no fireball, and likely as not, not the best example to try.

As indicated in the figures above the BX is certainly the best performing car. This thread was just intended to be a point of discussion piece and no indication of which is the best overall car out of the list, just that there had been a lot of subjective comments made about performance over recent days.

I do agree that the 19 is a slug, and it is on my list along with the 9, 18 and 21 as least favourite Renaults. And as someone who has covered vast interstate distances in a three speed 845cc R4 I do know the pleasures of surfing a wave of torque as opposed to outright power :).
 
I think that 19 needs a serious looking at. Your description of it would put it far behind my '94 Clio RN 1171cc monopt inj 5 speed. Have things like the timing sensors, plugs, leads etc been checked? The Clio will sit on 140 all day everyday just the same as it will on 80, just that little bit more time to get there. I think max I have had it to is about 160 so far, and for 172,000 kms and 1171cc I wouldnt be that unhappy with its performance. Another 600cc and 25kw more should put the 19 well in front.

FWIW, soon after I got the Clio I replaced the plugs, leads, rotor and cap in one go. With that little work it felt like a different car. Before it had a hard time to get to the speed limit of 130km/h but would get to 150. Now is still happily accelerating where before it was struggling. I think I found 5-10km/h extra max speed in 3rd (cant remember but it was about that). Oh.. and it wasnt appearing to need the above replaced, that was just part of my way of getting it to where I knew what was done on it after getting it.

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Hi Guys,

How many of you have driven these cars :confused:

All the power appears to be in the last half a cm or so of accelerator (it's like you opening a 2nd injection butterfly or something).

Unless you drive with you foot rammed to the floor it is gutless. I've driven 2 Renault 19's and the other one was if anything slower than this one wink

I certainly doubt I'd swap a nice Renault 16TS for a Renault 19 (then again ask me again on a 40degree day when I want air-con tongue ).

Ang reckons her Mums 1.6litre automatic Hyundi Excel feels fast compared this this roll_lau roll_lau roll_lau

I guess the answer is to thrash the guts out of them and get into the last bit of the accelerator travel where the power is 2_cents

seeya,
Shane L.
 
DoubleChevron:
Hi Guys,

How many of you have driven these cars :confused:
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I have, but not recently. Back in 1991 on release the dealer pressured me into a drive around the block. Then in 1992 I took a Phase 2 1.7 for a spin after asking the dealer when the 16V was going to come in. First time not enough to make an opinion, second time enough to put me off.
 
I think I'll chip in here as I'm probably one of the few who drive them regulary and yes Shane's right, the 19 is gutless. It's probably quicker than an ID19 but won't come close to a BX. 19's are the slowest of the 90's French cars and the most boring to drive, now I'm saying this as a Renault lover first and Cit and Pug lover second but the 19 really is a poor third. I keep telling people the best value and the best performing 90's or late 80's French car is the BX and I don't know why people choose 19's. I do think that although I don't really like 19 and I do like ID19 I'd rather drive 19 in traffic than an ID 19, but on the open road the Cit comes into it's own.
The 19 is proof of what I've been saying for years that the only thing good about modern cars is the very efficiant heaters and air cond, apart from that I'll be living in the 70's.

David.
 
Its a shame they turned it into a slug for the Oz market. The carby 1.7 I had in my R21 GTS Savannah in Europe was a great little engine - revvy, responsive, enough torque and kept up in the insane asylum that is Italian traffic very nicely. And carting much more weight than a 19 weighs.
I know the engine is a good design, so it seems to me that Oz 19s would respond well to a bit of tweaking?
 
David Cavanagh:
The 19 is proof of what I've been saying for years that the only thing good about modern cars is the very efficiant heaters and air cond, apart from that I'll be living in the 70's.

David.
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Agreed David, but only better until you have to fix them! You could add that modern cars are quieter too. Otherwise we've mostly gained fuel efficiency and crush engineering I reckon.

JohnW
 
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