raver said:
I guess what I noticed more was it's lack of power before 4500rpm and because I owned a 19TZI at the time I expected the 16v to have more power throughout the whole rev range which certainly was not the case
plus it was probably a series1 low comp 16v.
Are the 16v's really more economical than the TZI's ?
We can do direct compaisons and often do (taking both cars on trips etc) and the fuel consumption is even stevens until you start to really pedal the 16V, that's when you'll feel a difference. It can get hungry if pushed but fractionally better if nursed.
The 98 octane caper might hold true for the UK versions but the handbook recommends 93 and over and I find it runs as well on 94/95 octane as it does on PULP, however if I go to Optimax or Ultimate I don't notice a scrap of difference in either performance or economy so to me, it's just a waste of money and given the settings on the ECU, I'd say anyone driving an Aussie specs 16V that reckons it does are really only fooling themselves and wasting money. High compression and/or modified, different story.
Too many forget when they drive a 16V that it was an engine that was developed to satisfy homolgation requirements for competition in those days, so for road use it had to be tamed. To my knowledge, very few were sold to Citroen enthusiasts when new mainly due to the price tag; they cost about the same price then as a C5 diesel costs now and we're talking 1989 - 94
as a result, they were tailored to a market, namely Yuppies, wives of professional people, bimbos/bit on the side and rich kids and the like. This is borne out by looking at the logbooks and seeing who originally owned the car; in my case it was a record producer in Sydney (who possibly never owned a Cit before or since).
Overseas as with here, they painted an image of a trophy wife with bottled locks blowing in her face, scarf around the neck, sunnies on top of the head with windows down and sunroof open driving down the social set boulevarde and this was basically the market. Something a bit different, flashy, but quite subdued in a City traffic environment, but capable of scaring the sox off someone at the traffic lights or something that could be driven hard when the husband/boyfriend took it for a spin at the weekend. So if it's driven in a sober manner or like any 8 valve engined car, that is the way it will behave. I know of a few drivers who have admitted to me they have never pushed their cars beyond 4000 rpm (a couple on this board) and used the excuse that "you shouldn't have to drive them like you say to make then perform" which to me is like saying you shouldn't have to put petrol in a car to make the engine run.:crazy: This is the way they're designed.
I took a Traffic cop for a hard run in mine a year or so now as he had a sick car and made the comment that he didn't think they were all that great a performer. When we got back, his response was, "Phweww!! Bloody hell. never in my wildest dreams did I ever imagine they could go like
that!....tell ya what, if I'm ever in the patrol car and I see you speeding, at least I'll know not to waste my time chasing you." Which just about says it all.
It's all in the driving and a couple on the board here who I've coached on a few tricks have all said the same.
Alan S
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but it will be worth it 