25K fine for David Reynolds....

mistareno said:
Massive massive crash for Chas Mostert in qualifying. The car is f'd. It took out a marshal cage too. Hopefully the marshalls got out ok.
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Huge crash, looks like he either turned in bit early or the rear stepped out just before he clipped the first wall.

Mosert had broken wrist and broken leg. Five marshals injured, one requiring trip to the hospital but he said to be in stable condition

No wheels left on the car or much else for that matter. It rode very high on the wall. Could have been much worse.
 
FIVEDOOR said:
Huge crash, looks like he either turned in bit early or the rear stepped out just before he clipped the first wall.

Mosert had broken wrist and broken leg. Five marshals injured, one requiring trip to the hospital but he said to be in stable condition

No wheels left on the car or much else for that matter. It rode very high on the wall. Could have been much worse.
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less competition for the pussy wagon..
 
How you run and promote teams and professional pride is important.

I think that Seasink was near the mark, I have worked and been in charge of different teams that are very competitive, and often for different operational reasons you would have male team and a female team of investigators. In my experience the women really get right into the challenge of running their own "team" and as a boss you do get to pick up some of the argy bargy that goes on in each team and I can tell you that a female team operating in what was traditionally a man's world can be very crude and to the point in their nick names for each others teams.:evil:

As a Boss you are acutely conscious of the fine line that must be maintained lest professional banter cross that fine line with adverse effects. You need to be prepared to step in, sometimes it is just a gentle reminder that we should not travel further in that direction, :nownow: and appropriate for both males and females to restate where that line should be in the workplace.

The minute that fines or penalties or punishment, or even threats to impose, you lose the goodwill of teams and the issue polarizes and can be a poisonous problem that dogs the professional pride and friendly competition between teams, the issue is pushed underground, but it is still there! and resentment building, so even if you combine teams, you get snide comments, bigoted sniping and poor team performance in integrated teams.

The other problem that can arise is individuals trying to outdo each other with rude crassness bordering on naked bullying.

I prefer the quiet word in the right place at the right time. Sometimes years after that quiet word, you will get feedback from the individuals as to what effect your carefully chosen words had on them at the time. When that comment is positive and it changed something, or produced a good effect, you know you made the right decision and spoke the right words.:)

I have some misgivings at the large fine imposed as there are many facets in dealing with inappropriate comments and maintaining professional cohesion in a competitive environment, knee jerk, covering your own ar*se, bad leadership, failure of corporate image makers to develop professional guidelines, all come to mind.

Time will tell if the base problem is dealt with or it is still there but masked with PC statements? Something you will find in boardrooms and the way corporate spin doctors talk to each other.:rolleyes:

Ken:)
 
Kenfuego said:
I think that Seasink was near the mark,
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let me give you a heads-up; whatever you think about these comments, you and seasink are in a small, and diminishing minority in society on the issue.

i dont see how the concept of "PC" comes into the picture here. "PC" is about not stating morally awkward truths. the issue here is about expressing a fundamental lack of respect for people because they are girls. by the sound of the brief words on tv from the aussie girl, they get that quite a bit.
 
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Alexander the shining knight on his white charger -image building?

alexander said:
let me give you a heads-up; whatever you think about these comments, you and seasink are in a small, and diminishing minority in society on the issue.

i dont see how the concept of "PC" comes into the picture here. "PC" is about not stating morally awkward truths. the issue here is about expressing a fundamental lack of respect for people because they are girls. by the sound of the brief words on tv from the aussie girl, they get that quite a bit.
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I see that the depth of your experience, or lack of it, comes through :rolleyes:- the lonely loner that has no experience whatsoever with how the real world operates - pack it in alexander your faux moralising just confirms what we already know:nownow:. and it is that lack of experience in the real world that reveals your inability to see real issues and more importantly how to deal with real issues yourself in a responsible way.

Obviously you know little about the real world of competitive women and sport. the way they really conduct themselves. The real world is not the fantasy object that you rattle on about while trying to build some façade that you probably don't believe in anyway - all done to re-invent alexander on the internet, something you have attempted to do so many times - project a different invented personality.

Oh the world of tilting at windmills, beliefs, and faux moral outrage and it is that shallow reactive but not effective grandstanding that I see in the whole incident under discussion. And I don't in any way condone the words or conduct, that should have been addressed well before the incident, by those controlling promoting those teams and competition.

Ken:)
 
Aren't you both talking about two different situations? Publicly broadcast remarks and the absence of any distinction between men and women to be as crude as each other?

Would this type of banter be held during recess in the tea room by the magistrate and other practitioners?

If any potential suitor of my daughter at the family dinner table made remarks like Reynolds she would be embarrassed, my wife and I would be deeply offended, and her brothers would want to punch his lights out.

Doing so on public media is unwanted and deserving of rebuke. Doing so in the privacy of the team garage is a different matter and one which would probably bring both laughter and disgust. Not unlike "team" talk in situations Ken described.
 
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couldnt agree more.
old skool attitudes which see patronising, dismissive jokes about women as jolly good fun, are now, if nothing else, completely out of step with, and unacceptable to, the mainstream of society. a fine of $25k is warranted just for being so ignorant of current social mores as to not understand that. some people just have to learn the hard way, and that is what happened here.

for those not in the public sphere, there is still some scope for thinking that similes between changing brake pads, and changing women's menstrual pads, are actually funny. good luck to anyone who does.
 
dvr said:
If any potential suitor of my daughter at the family dinner table made remarks like Reynolds she would be embarrassed, my wife and I would be deeply offended, and her brothers would want to punch his lights out.
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I wonder what would your dinner time reaction be if your daughter turned up to the table dressed like this and then proceeded to go out to the movies with her suitor???
tits and ass.jpgmore T&A.jpg


I'm quite amazed that many of the posts on this thread can isolate the Reynalds incident with out looking at the context and culture in which it was made.....an event which puts on a T&A show that has nothing to do with motorsport and is simply a soft porn form of entertainment for some of the patrons.
In that context, "pussy wagon" seems perfectly Ok to me.


What message does the T&A show give young ladies??? Show 3 million veiwers your tits and we'll make you a star? (then what..........?)

I was clearly mistaken in my belief that this type of attitude toward young woman was outdated and demeaning in the current age.

Jo
 
graham66 said:
^ Because the way a person chooses to dress should have no bearing on how they are treated.

You see it now?
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I hear you, but I cant agree.
Dress like a slut or an important person and you will most likely get treated like one.
Unlike sexual orientation or your gender, it is largely your choice.

Anyway, that is too broad a subject....What is critical here is the fact that super V8 are actively promoting the concept of women to dress like merchandisable sluts in the name of marketing on one hand and then taking the morel high ground on the other. :crazy:


Jo
 
One thing that is cool, is this is motor racing so once those warriors are out on the track, all this BS counts for nothing, as does the gender or racial or religion issue, and one warrior will smash (literally) the other regardless.

Apart from the holden ford red/blue thing, thats what i call equality.


Jo
 
Why is appearing in a bikini "dressing like a slut"?

Ever watched women's gymnastics, tennis, ice dancing, volleyball, hockey, basketball, netball, footy, swimming, diving...? Not appropriate evening wear I'll grant you - but sluts?

You're not thinking about joining a radical fundamentalist sect are you? Cos Jo, we'd really miss you.
 
Exfrogger said:
Why is appearing in a bikini "dressing like a slut"?

Ever watched women's gymnastics, tennis, ice dancing, volleyball, hockey, basketball, netball, footy, swimming, diving...? Not appropriate evening wear I'll grant you - but sluts?

You're not thinking about joining a radical fundamentalist sect are you? Cos Jo, we'd really miss you.
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I personally have always thought grid girls dressed in bikinis was a bit exploitive but I'm not in their boots. The other examples you give are examples of 'fit for purpose wear' whereas there is little purpose for a bikini on a race track other than to expose maximum skin for the pleasure of the 'predominantly male' crowd.

I've seen grid girls dressed in nice clothing that look much more natural. The girls look like they are enjoying it more too.
 
Exfrogger said:
You're not thinking about joining a radical fundamentalist sect are you? Cos Jo, we'd really miss you.
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Hang on, i never said i had a problem with such attire, but i do with the hypocrisy.
 
mistareno said:
I personally have always thought grid girls dressed in bikinis was a bit exploitive but I'm not in their boots.
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If you were I'd suggest you have peculiar fetishes, or you are wasting a golden opportunity.
 
I think it's garbage the poor sod was fined SO MUCH! If I was him I'd tell them to shove their sport up their collective proverbials. Why? The hypocrisy as previously outlined.
 
I seem to remember a James Bond film introducing a character known as "Pussy Galore". That was for a world wide audience, an audience far larger than that of a piddly little local car race. I sometimes think local political correctness has cowed otherwise straight talking Australians into completely abandoning our historically colourful and irreverent view of the world.
 
You're showing your age, mate. That movie came out in 1964.

What may have passed for droll humour half a century ago falls a little flat these days... Hence a $25k fine.
 
The overt presentation of a simplistic female sexuality in many sporting arenas, is something that's genuinely put me off watching. I think the double standard represented by this event, is what's offensive to me.

For the record I don't think it's a motorsports issue but an off-topic one.
 
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