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    Default Grout filling wet sleeve engine.

    Has anyone had any experience with grout filling an engine?

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    Been considering trying this to a Dourvin engine to increase block rigidity so I can run higher boost.

    I have an old 2.0 from a Fuego that I could try it on, so I was going to fit a new set of liners and then half fill the water jacket with grout and clamp the head down until it sets.

    It would make the sleeves a solid part of the block as you can't remove it once set, so it would make it a throw away if anything destroyed a bore but It would make the block a lot stronger.

    Anyone heard of it done to a wet sleeve engine?

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    Flip, how many horses are you chasing...?

    Considering the R21T boys in the UK have managed 500hp with monster boost, I reckon the block/liners are up to the task as is.

    Interesting idea though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon View Post
    Flip, how many horses are you chasing...?
    That's the thing about chasing horses, you are always chasing them...

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    Very interesting. Wonder if it cold be used to fill small corrosion damage near the sleeve seat on aluminium block?

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    It also raises the question. What are you going to do with all those horses once you have caught them
    If you've got too much traction, you haven't got enough horse power ...




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    After a higher powered mod like that, how would you measure crank and lower end life?? Revolutions, hours ,days ,weeks maybe...

    If you look at the sump braced 12v motor, it has quite an amount of bracing and oil control, and I'm guessing you'd be exceeding those OE torque specs considerably.

    What do the turbo meth guys do in their speedway cars, or is that sort of not relevant to a street car?
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    Not sure what you mean by 'lower end life'?

    You are filling only the bottom inch or two so the cooling is still adequate. It just stiffens the block alot. The problem with open deck wet sleeve engine seems to be distortion of the liners in the block at high power/torque levels. I don't know how susceptible the Dourvin is as they made a fairly indestructible turbo diesel version with the same basic block.

    I've had no dramas at the current boost/power level but I was interested if anyone had actually tried grouting in the liners on a wet sleeve block as it may be a solution if issues crop up?

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    I think I could donate an engine for the project if you decide to go ahead!!

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    I recall seeing a story in a Race Preparation magazine.
    It showed a Porsche block with the cylinders [liners?] and block drilled vertically in 3 or 4 places then tapped and screws [scotch locking ?] fitted flush with the block and liner. I presume that this had the effect of wedging the liner preventing movement?

    The turbocharged N engine in the 505 and its other derivatives seemed reliable in extreme competition.
    Interesting theory Mr Grout oops! Mistareno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno View Post
    Not sure what you mean by 'lower end life'?
    I meant the life of the lower end of the donk....crank, bearing caps, bearings.
    Things that might be attached to this....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi View Post
    I meant the life of the lower end of the donk....crank, bearing caps, bearings.
    Things that might be attached to this....
    they are doing the same thing pretty much. The grout stiffens the block by adding a mass of stiff substance that bonds to the block to prevent the block twisting. The 21 t has a sump brace that does the same thing by bracing the bottom of the sump and interlinking everything together to form a stiffer block.

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    Hi there ,my friend who runs a reno motor similar to 2.2 peug
    . motor in speedway,is running 25 lb boost,motor as far as block ,bottom end rods etc are all standard,only real mod is, sleeves have been o ringed,motor runs 8000.
    cheers bob.

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    Would there be any problems cooling this grout filled motor?
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