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    Default 205 rear beam location - wheels sitting too far back in wheel arch

    I recently had the rear beam in my 205 GTi Classic rebuilt. The rear wheels now sit right at the back in the wheel arches - I can barely fit my little finger between the tyre and the back of the rear wheel arch, but there is lots of clearance at the front of the wheel arch. I coulnd't swear to whether it was like this before, but I don't think so.

    Does this sound right? I remember seeing some comments on this on the forum recently, but can't find them now. What should I be checking? Can any of the forum gurus advise?

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    Hey Richard,

    Do you mean here?: http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/sho...t=#post1109778

    The images of my car make it look worse than it actually is but there is definitely more of a gap at the front...

    I'm about to re build my beam and put solid mounts and gti6 trailing arms in over the Chrissy break. I'll let you know how it goes re the gaps fore and aft.

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    Thanks Pat. Yes - that's exactly the thread I had in mind, and that's what my wheels look like also. I remembered that there had been a discussion of mounts and mentioned this to the mechanic. He was adamant that he hadn't removed the mounts in order to remove the beam, so that couldn't be the issue.

    Can someone confirm if this is wrong or not? Could it be that 205 rear wheels are just like this and I haven't noticed before???

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    I'm actually not 100% convinced that it is possible to put the mounts in the wrong way around - I too will be interested to here this confirmed or denied...

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    Quote Originally Posted by patpug View Post
    I'm actually not 100% convinced that it is possible to put the mounts in the wrong way around - I too will be interested to here this confirmed or denied...

    Pat

    I'm 100% convinced that mounts can be put in the wrong way round. I turned mine round and sorted it out. I'll see if I can find a pic of the part that needs changing.

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    not 100% on this, but i think its 3b that needs turning round.

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    Hi Rohan - can't see the pic mate... Looking forward to being convinced .

    Can you post a pic of your rear arch in a similar angle to the shot that I posted on your thread please?

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    Is it possible to mount the carrier tube completely arse about?

    The only other thing I can comprehend, is whether an exchange carrier was supplied, that isn't actually off a 205...

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    Quote Originally Posted by patpug View Post
    Hi Rohan - can't see the pic mate... Looking forward to being convinced .

    Can you post a pic of your rear arch in a similar angle to the shot that I posted on your thread please?

    Ta,

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    I'll take a pic this arvo, showing the current fixed position .

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    in my case at least, I know that no exchange tube or carrier was used.

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    If you turn 3b around 180 deg. the beam won't fit into the body mounting holes. Physically impossible.

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    Default 205 rear beam location - wheels sitting too far back in wheel arch

    Not if you swap their sides as well?

    Here's mine now...
    205 rear beam location - wheels sitting too far back in wheel arch-imageuploadedbytapatalk1354526343.263721.jpg


    To explain. I don't exactly remember what I needed to turn around to fix the problem, but I definitely did turn something and it did move the wheels forward to the right spot...

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    Thanks Rohan. And here's mine (excuse the poor light - taken with flash at night). Clearly different! My mechanic says, however, that he didn't change the mounts so wouldn't have turned this around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard W View Post
    Thanks Rohan. And here's mine (excuse the poor light - taken with flash at night). Clearly different! My mechanic says, however, that he didn't change the mounts so wouldn't have turned this around.

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    Your rear gap looks exactly the same as mine. My car is October 93 build and has not been overhauled (for what it is worth).
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    Hmmm... and here's mine again - very similar to BIGRR and Richard's cars - not a great angle though, makes it look worse than it actually is.



    So maybe different models have different wheelbases? It's pretty difficult to tell but I reckon this image of an S3 (?) looks more like rtsnoz's



    And I found this - haven't measured my car in comparison but I may for interests sake when I do the beam work...

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    Can you get this much difference fore and aft just from the mounting bolts being in a slightly different position in the holes when the beam has been on and off the car?

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    have you tried adjust the lower rear panel. sometimes they can be mismatched where they butt onto the bumper?

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    The back plastic body work is not on straight or the car has been hit in the back, look at the red lines on the trim, they don't follow in a straight line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patpug View Post
    Hmmm... and here's mine again - very similar to BIGRR and Richard's cars - not a great angle though, makes it look worse than it actually is.



    So maybe different models have different wheelbases? It's pretty difficult to tell but I reckon this image of an S3 (?) looks more like rtsnoz's



    And I found this - haven't measured my car in comparison but I may for interests sake when I do the beam work...


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    Good theory Graham. I'm pretty confident, however, that my Classic is absolutely straight.

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    Default 205 rear beam location - wheels sitting too far back in wheel arch

    Have mentioned this before but the rear beam mounts are offset as per photo. Put them wrong way around and this causes the gap problem...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Ch View Post
    Have mentioned this before but the rear beam mounts are offset as per photo. Put them wrong way around and this causes the gap problem...
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    Confirmed. This is what I turned around to fix it on my car.

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    That may give you 5mm!
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    Thanks guys. I now know what to check!

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    As Peter Said, it psychically impossible to turn them around otherwise they wont fit in the holes in the floor plan.


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    Default 205 rear beam location - wheels sitting too far back in wheel arch

    Without pushing the point too far. My wheels were too far back, I turned some shit around (I'm fairly sure those mounts - maybe swapped sides too), and the wheels moved forward to where they look like they should sit.

    Perhaps patpug will clear it up in a few weeks time when he has a look.

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