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    Default Pug 205 track day tyres

    I know tyres have been done to death but I need semi-slick type units sized 205/50/15
    The objective is for occasional non-serious track days (dont care about 1 second here or there, just fun) AND can be driven on the road without insane wear or noise or harsh ride. Cost not an issue.

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    Yoko AO48
    Yoko AO50

    Khumo KU36 (not real semi - fancy road tyre)
    Federal 595R (not real semi - fancy road tyre)

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    I did not think Federal had a great name but the 595's get very positive reviews.

    The AO50s are far more expensive - for a reason? - $360ish vs KU36's $190

    As you probably know, my car has stupid power plus race suspension and I need all the grip I can get. I dont however want to get a tyre that simply goes stale over a short time, driven hard or not. I would go for the AO50's if they do not fall apart on the road.

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    I've ran these before on my Xsara http://www.stuckey.com.au/tyres_deta...yreName=DZSPZ1 can't say enough good things about them much better then the federals rsr I'm running now.

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    thanks. do they take long to warm up? what do you use them for?
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    I have had the chance the run many R spec tires on the 205 race car over the years and any full R spec tire will give you "insane tire wear and harsh ride". But they will provide you grip from the get go and if heat cycled correctly from new you should get some good life out of them on the track, possibly upto 6 to 8 events. But every extreme heat cycle will reduce the softness of the tire thus less grip.

    From and R spec perspective, the A050 has given the improved production racers over a 1 econd improvement in lap times over the A048 thus the A050 is the tire prefered by the serious racers.

    Have you considered running a second set of rims on the car for track use only. You could just change over for the day and live with the harshness and the crazy road noise, it sounds like you have a coloapsed wheel bearing.

    The biggest and most important advise i can give you on running R spec tires. make sure you have the tire pressures set correctly to the conditions. If this is out and over inflation occurs, you will burn up a set of r specs in 2 sessions.

    You hve a Mi16 turbo with insane power, no Rspec on FWD car will stop your car wheel spinning on exit of a corner, even my 8v at 106hp gets wheel spin. If you can carry 4 extra tires with you to the track, then I would recomend slicks! Insane grip and fun.

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    Default Pug 205 track day tyres

    As an all rounder, I rekon the 595 RS-R are amazing value. Had a few sets on different cars (including 205) and they provide great grip in the dry, but still give you decent wear / wet weather grip etc.

    Toyo R888s are amazing, but more of a compromise on the road IMO (and cost twice as much).

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    Quote Originally Posted by runabout View Post
    I've ran these before on my Xsara http://www.stuckey.com.au/tyres_deta...yreName=DZSPZ1 can't say enough good things about them much better then the federals rsr I'm running now.
    Ash im running the tyres in the above link also. im yet to give them a good testing but they seem good value for the money. stuckeys had them in stock 4 x 205/50/15 fitted and balanced cost me $960.

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    I'm currently running the Dunlop z1 star specs and they are a phenomenal tyre. The best thing about them is they are good cold which is crucial for hillclimb, my preferred event. I dunno if they're noisy because for some stupid reason I fit a group a lower mount so all I hear is dash rattle! Nah in all honesty they're not too bad noise wise.
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    Kumho V70A for me. Available in 3 levels of compound. I run hard on the front and medium on the rear.

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    Tried them all, Proxies 888 head and shoulders above the rest!

    I bought a pair September they have gone down in price heaps!
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    i would have thought for a karna car you would want old as hard ass tyres?

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    For a motorkhana you want tyres just like hillclimbers, heat up quickly (as possible) with as mach grip as possible (front wheel drive loses 20% traction over rear wheel drive) & don't rip to pieces when you continually plough understeer around flags flat chat in 1st running at 25psi!
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    Thanks for great advice from the experts! We can only conclude that we are spoilt for choice really. I think I want to use my car for hill climbs and occasional sprint. I suppose I could fit smaller brake calipers and run some C5 steelies with proper R tyres as mentioned by Mr Parry.
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    Federals are the control tyre for the NZ Targa series...

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    The sad thing is, choosing the right tyres for your car is like choosing the right runners for your own feet. Everyone is different. I run yoko A048s for track days and Dunlop Direzzas when hill climbing. Even in the "SOFT" configuration not the SUPER SOFT the Dunlops dont stand up to a hard track day but are great for a single flyling lap on hill climbs. The only down side to running harder tyres on the front of your car and softer on the rear is that you can't interchange them. Otherwise, thats a greart configuration as per Peter Ts post.

    Hope to see you on the track some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parry View Post
    I have had the chance the run many R spec tires on the 205 race car over the years and any full R spec tire will give you "insane tire wear and harsh ride". But they will provide you grip from the get go and if heat cycled correctly from new you should get some good life out of them on the track, possibly upto 6 to 8 events. But every extreme heat cycle will reduce the softness of the tire thus less grip.

    From and R spec perspective, the A050 has given the improved production racers over a 1 econd improvement in lap times over the A048 thus the A050 is the tire prefered by the serious racers.

    Have you considered running a second set of rims on the car for track use only. You could just change over for the day and live with the harshness and the crazy road noise, it sounds like you have a coloapsed wheel bearing.

    The biggest and most important advise i can give you on running R spec tires. make sure you have the tire pressures set correctly to the conditions. If this is out and over inflation occurs, you will burn up a set of r specs in 2 sessions.

    You hve a Mi16 turbo with insane power, no Rspec on FWD car will stop your car wheel spinning on exit of a corner, even my 8v at 106hp gets wheel spin. If you can carry 4 extra tires with you to the track, then I would recomend slicks! Insane grip and fun.

    Thanks for listening.
    Parry
    I wouldnt bother with the slicks the Ao50's will do the job and they are worth at least 2 seconds a lap over the r888's or 595s and about a second over the dunlops and ao48's

    and they work out a lot cheaper than slicks which really are only good for a short period of time.

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    and i'd get a second set of rims none of the r specs are designed for daily driving use

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    Slicks have been cheaper than R's in recent times. So much, I've considered swapping classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    Slicks have been cheaper than R's in recent times. So much, I've considered swapping classes.
    Pete, we soon should be getting Dunlop super softs slicks for $100 a set of 4, only used in one event. Watch this space!
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    Eastern Creek: 1:47 (16V) 2019
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    Hook me up!

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    I run a set of the federals 595 on my misses mi16 and am very pleased with them. They seem quite soft tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    Kumho V70A for me. Available in 3 levels of compound. I run hard on the front and medium on the rear.
    I currently run the medium Kumho V70A on my race BMW 2002.( That doesn't get raced, only track days) Seem to be OK for 10 laps at a time sprints. I ran 2 secs a lap quicker (1.03.7) on these at Lakeside than I did on older Yoko A048s. I was trying much harder on the Kumhos, but they did give confidence, and are a lot cheaper than the A050s, which I would have bought if $100 a tyre cheaper.
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    If you want to know what the fastest R-spec tyres are at any point in time, go to a round of the Australian Manufacturers Championship and look at the tyres those Proddy cars are running. I thought it would have been obvious to look at what people who actually race use. For a track day, what does it matter whether you have the fastest tyre or not. You're not racing for a championship.

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    i've been using Toyo r888 on the 206 for track days. I tried them on the street for a while, gave up, too noisy. Good track tyre, but I've not got any direct comparison for you.

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    Did someone have a Kumho V70A that ripped to pieces at a track day that I attended last Sunday?
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    A V700 actually.

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