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    It seems the Laguna III, with styling based on the Fluence concept car might be bringing back the 80s thing of 4 wheel steering. A new V9X 3l 6 cyl diesel with 220hp is supposed to be developed for it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    It seems the Laguna III, with styling based on the Fluence concept car might be bringing back the 80s thing of 4 wheel steering. A new V9X 3l 6 cyl diesel with 220hp is supposed to be developed for it too.
    Very interesting. Did Nissan have 4WS in the Skyline or similar in Japan?
    I thought that 4ws died out because of the high levels of engineering required.
    220hp diesel, wonder how much torque it has.
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    Yep, Nissan and Honda. From memory, Nissan's was an electronic system (HICAS/Super HICAS I think the systems were called) whereas Hondas was a mechanical system of rods, on the 4ws Prelude.

    (Interestingly, LJK Setright still drives a 4ws Prelude entirely because he likes the purity of its engineering (in his eyes at least) of 4 wheel double wishbones and 4ws.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey
    Yep, Nissan and Honda. From memory, Nissan's was an electronic system (HICAS/Super HICAS I think the systems were called) whereas Hondas was a mechanical system of rods, on the 4ws Prelude.

    (Interestingly, LJK Setright still drives a 4ws Prelude entirely because he likes the purity of its engineering (in his eyes at least) of 4 wheel double wishbones and 4ws.)

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    Didnt the Mazda MX6 coupe also feature 4WS?

    So what would the main advantage of 4WS be, i wouldnt imagine it making a huge difference around the city?

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    Now again, this is entirely from memory, and not all systems are the same, but in some systems at higher speeds the four wheels turn the same way so high speed lane changes are more stable (the car doesn't yaw as much). At lower speeds, the rears turn in the opposite direction, so turn in on sharper corners is better. In any case, the main priority with all systems is better turn in and maneuverability.

    Yep, I think the MX6 did have 4ws, too.

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    I had the pleasure of driving a prelude for about 3 monthin the 90's after my flatmate got DUI'd.At speed, the difference was indescernable, but at 0-50 on tigh turns it was a hammer box.If you were in the inside lane ,doing a 90 degree left turn ,you could take the corner at a much higher speed than the 2 WS car next to you in the midle lane, without screeching or pushing the tyres too hard.It seemed to just always have that little bit more in the steering and was a hoot to fang around the back streets of Redfern(Very narrow streets for those who dont know it).My memorys of that car were that the 4ws came into its own in the tight corners of city/traffic driving.
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    Haha,
    Old timers kicking in now. I remember that it was Honda and Mazda that had 4WS here in Australia. Honda did have the mechanical system, and Mazda's was more involved and electronic. The journo's(sic) who did the write ups on it from my bad memory had said similar to what jo has, that it helped in low speed but was nt as noticable at high speed. These days, it would be great seeing as most traffic averages below 20km/h in the city.
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    [QUOTE=HONG KONG PUGGY]Haha,
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    Honda introduced an electronic 4WS system in the 4th generation Prelude (early-mid 90s)

    The older mechanical system was much better, and far more reliable to boot (I owned a 3rd gen Prelude before the 306)
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    Cheers Rek, I (obviously) didn't know Honda went electronic/electrical.

    As for the high speed stuff, the driver wouldn't obviously notice - unless you had an identical non-4ws car to do the comparison with, preferably in cross winds, back to back. You still might not notice, but in theory it sounds good, as the car crabs sideways maintaining its straight ahead stance without as much yaw induced weight transfer. I suppose it's more important in places like Germany doing lane changes at 160+.

    BTW Rek, did the NSX have 4ws, or as an option? I seem to remember it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HONG KONG PUGGY
    Very interesting. Did Nissan have 4WS in the Skyline or similar in Japan?
    I thought that 4ws died out because of the high levels of engineering required.
    220hp diesel, wonder how much torque it has.
    They say the Isuzu v6 sourced will disappear and be replaced by a petrol to diesel conversion of the Nissan v6 to create a very flexible diesel V9X with plenty of power. Sounds to me like an evolution for the better in all directions.
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    Eunos (Mazda) 800 also had 4ws. I think it was the last car on the market to feature it.

    The curvy model Mazda 929 had it too. This one was the first (and only?) rear-driver to feature 4ws.
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