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    Yesterday I saw one of these in a paddock, still on the same property it's been on for over fifty years...

    It made me think that maybe there was a thread about one of these a long time ago. Can anyone remember?

    Does anyone want it?

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    Everything's there except the seats and the lower tailgate... though the guy reckons the tailgate would be around somewhere, it would just take finding. Looks like it would restore well, though he's just as happy for someone to take it for parts.

    I anyone wants to know more and doesn't want to post about it here, please e.mail me at raybell@racingphoenix.com ...please don't use private messages.

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    OK, I'll bite. What is a Renault Speedwagon? Do you mean a Domaine, the equivalent of a Fregate Wagon, or something earlier? I don't think there is anything remotely speedy about them, unless compared to a 4 CV.
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    Well, the guy described it as a Speedwagon, and as he's generally a car man I guess I took it he knows what he was talking about...

    It's early Renault Fregate, basically, the model using Fregate components before the Fregate came out. Unless there was two distinct shapes in the Fregate...

    Like this one:



    But this one's been brought out of the trees. Though some chainsaw activity was necessary, there's a bit of the rear bodywork encased in a bit of tree branch! But trust me, that makes little difference.

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    By they way, I found the other thread... it was about a Renault Prairie... not like this beatie...

    http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?p=61665

    There's a kind of pointed nose to the bonnet on the one I saw yesterday... now I wish I'd gone back to the car and got the camera!

    Might get the bloke to take a pic and e.mail it!

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    Ray,
    "Speedwagon"? Think REO!

    Pipe down young'n! The American REO car company were around long before the pop band "REO Speedwagon" were on the scene.

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    'REO'? The initials of Ransom Eli Olds?

    Come on, beat the drums, this guy when broke building under his own name and started up again after losing his first company with his initials for a car and truck name.

    Just like Albert Champion, Eric Royce Foden and some others...

    I'm definitely going to have to get a pic of this thing sent up.

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    You've got my interest. Waits holding breath for photo's.....turning blue
    Sounds like a little more than a wash and polish job though.
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    Ah yes... I think you'd definitely want to have something just that bit different...

    Though it would be a practical old thing. Wheels interchange with 404 wagon, by the way.

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    Ray, I already own a Renault Speedwagon!

    I'm sure I remember the occasional Diamond REO truck going through my old town of Wubin when I was a kid. Is this related?

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    I had the same thought Stuey, after I did a search for speedwagon and got a few hits for White Diamond REO. I too remember the old White trucks, but if I am not mistaken, Renault have an affiliation with Mack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Ah yes... I think you'd definitely want to have something just that bit different...

    Though it would be a practical old thing. Wheels interchange with 404 wagon, by the way.
    I noticed the wheels on that blue wagon you posted Ray, it has 5 wheel nuts.
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    That's right!

    Did you ever think what a bastard number that is in engineering terms?

    360 degrees in the circle, so you pick some random number like five and you have to space the bolts at 72 degrees! The one saving grace is that you can lose a nut and still have a properly secured wheel...

    Same stud pattern as A-model Ford, by the way. Wire wheels if you want them.

    As for the relationship with REO... there is none. But there is a Berliet gearbox (he thinks) among the junk in the shed...

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    Ray, is that roof rack bolted on to the roof ala Peugeot or does it hang off the gutters...

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    Originally posted by graham66
    Ray, is that roof rack bolted on to the roof ala Peugeot or does it hang off the gutters...
    I don't actually recall a roof rack on the one I saw... hold tight, photos are coming.

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    a lot of fords have the same stud pattern as do some daihatsus

    very common PCD
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    And Suzukis... and I think Jeeps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Well, the guy described it as a Speedwagon, and as he's generally a car man I guess I took it he knows what he was talking about...

    It's early Renault Fregate, basically, the model using Fregate components before the Fregate came out. Unless there was two distinct shapes in the Fregate...

    Like this one:



    But this one's been brought out of the trees. Though some chainsaw activity was necessary, there's a bit of the rear bodywork encased in a bit of tree branch! But trust me, that makes little difference.
    Looks a bit like a Domaine to me. Is that a 750 to the right?

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    No idea... the pic is from a website I got when I put 'domaine' into google...

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    Ray, you have me guessing.

    Renault did not produce anything called a "speedwagon", but then again they did not produce anything the factory called a "750" either - that was the marketing name for the 4CV in the English speaking countries. So my guess is that the "speedwagon" tag could have been a marketing name.

    Now, what could it be? The photo with your post is a Domaine, the wagon version of the Fregate, which did not come out till 1956 (in France) while the Fregate was first shown publicly in 1951. No other production Renault previously used the same body components as the Fregate.

    The Prairie is well covered in the earlier thread which you have referenced.

    But there also is a third possibility, the wagon version of the Juvaquatre, the pre-war small Renault which was resurrected after the war and imported to Australia in the late 40s- early 50s. A few hundred (mostly sedans) found their way here. I know of one, a badly rusted example with panel van back, in Flynns wrecking yard at Cooma. You mentioned a "fairly pointed nose", and that would tend to fit the Juva styling - if the headlights are faired into either side of the bonnet, that would be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geecee
    Ray, you have me guessing.

    Renault did not produce anything called a "speedwagon", but then again they did not produce anything the factory called a "750" either - that was the marketing name for the 4CV in the English speaking countries. So my guess is that the "speedwagon" tag could have been a marketing name.

    Now, what could it be? The photo with your post is a Domaine, the wagon version of the Fregate, which did not come out till 1956 (in France) while the Fregate was first shown publicly in 1951. No other production Renault previously used the same body components as the Fregate.

    The Prairie is well covered in the earlier thread which you have referenced.

    But there also is a third possibility, the wagon version of the Juvaquatre, the pre-war small Renault which was resurrected after the war and imported to Australia in the late 40s- early 50s. A few hundred (mostly sedans) found their way here. I know of one, a badly rusted example with panel van back, in Flynns wrecking yard at Cooma. You mentioned a "fairly pointed nose", and that would tend to fit the Juva styling - if the headlights are faired into either side of the bonnet, that would be it.

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    John, I get down Cooma way about once every five years! If I find myself down that way I'll certainly take a pic. Meanwhile, here's a not-very-good pic of a Juva stationwagon.

    The 4CV Muster in Casino went very well. Weather reasonable, 21x4CV, 3xDauph, 1xFloride, 2xR10, plus A610 and R4L, from as far as Cairns and Adelaide. I shall be updating the 4CV Register website soon to include it.

    Over our Saturday dinner we made two major decisions. The first was to extend coverage to all rear-engined Renault cars with the engine behind the transaxle, ie direct linear mechanical-concept derivatives of the 4CV. Until now we'd included the immediate derivatives, the Dauphine and Floride because they used the same Ventoux engine - but that was a little artificial, because the Floride led to the Floride S and Caravelle with incremental changes (but disc brakes, Sierra engine) ...etc. We considered that there is developing interest in preserving and restoring the R8 and, more commonly, the R10 / R10S, so anything we can do to encourage that is a good thing. And, although Alpine owners are relatively few, they are welcome along also.

    The second major decision was the venue for our next biennial Muster. That is to be held at Cowra, inland central NSW, over Easter 2007. We returned home through there and there is plenty to see - it should be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geecee
    John, I get down Cooma way about once every five years! If I find myself down that way I'll certainly take a pic. Meanwhile, here's a not-very-good pic of a Juva stationwagon.

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    Cowra? Very nice... the lookout up above the court house is worth a bit of time... the rose garden under the bridge... good spot. Though I have to say I found Inverell very nice indeed, with the added advantage that it's got the transport museum...



    ...and apparently a local car club about as active as the Cowra Antique Car Club too. These are, I feel, real assets when planning a jaunt like this, but the two 4CVs in the backyard in Cowra might be worth a perv too.

    Back to the car in question... no that's not it. I might get to Cooma some time and get some shots around that yard, I really have to for other reasons anyway.

    The engine in this wagon was pure Fregate... and the 'pointed nose' was just a tad pointed I guess. The badge, I noted, was curved around the leading edge.

    Pics should be through today... and the guy is keen to see it go to a good home.

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    Pictures are still not through... have to just wait and see...

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    Had to go take them myself!





    It was late in the day, obviously... what do you all reckon now?

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