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    It is amazing what gems can be found lurking in an auto club library. It takes time to stumble over these things and one of my colleagues was having a tidy up in the library today and asked if I'd like to see these! I've only worked here 7 years and didn't realise they were even there!
    They're in fantastic condition too
    I'm not allowed to have them though
    Look John W, there's even a 760 instruction book

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    What a nice find, and thoughtful of the library to keep them too! Just wondering with the 760 book, is that for a UK build car, as it has an IB (Instruction Book) prefix, instead of the usual NE (Notice d'Entretien) prefix used on the French spec cars.

    Those early brochures are a treat as well.
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    Yes it is UK Simon because I joked to the guys at work today that it's from Monopoly with an address at Pall Mall. Let me know if you want to have a look at them. I already asked if I could have them and got a big No! Could they be copied? Don't think anyone would object to that. Stapled to the back of the Dauphine brochure is a 4CV brochure too.
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    Awesome!

    In addition to these I have a canvas hardcover 4cv R1062 "Specifications, Adjustments and Shop Repars Recommendations" that should be scanned and put in the same place.
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    Thanks for that. I have one of those 760 manuals I think. It's amazing what turns up on ebay if you keep looking.

    Very "eagle-eyed" of you Simon, re the prefix!

    It does remind me of the related issue of just what is out there and how to archive it securely and/or make it available. Between us all we must have a treasure trove.

    Regarding the library books, if you can borrow them, just scan or photograph them at high resolution and then fix them up with Adobe Photoshop, then you can save them down to the smallest file size that maintains the quality.

    I'm told the SA Sporting Car Club has quite a library, FWIW. The only person I knew from that club was so patronizing and dismissive of my Renaults that I'm not sure you'd find much there, but it might have just been him. It quite put me off tweed jackets and caps and things.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    The only person I knew from that club was so patronizing and dismissive of my Renaults that I'm not sure you'd find much there, but it might have just been him. It quite put me off tweed jackets and caps and things.....
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    cheers,

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    Icon14 Libraries, a good book hunting spot for me too!!

    Great Find and lucky the Library retained them.

    I always visit the Launceston Library when I am in Tasmania, due to the large amounts of books that they withdraw and sell, you never know what will turn up, especially in the practical and text book issues, most of their car manuals are long gone.

    I have a couple of favourite Libraries in Victoria and remote NSW that are a great source of books at usually a $1 a book, with lots of history books and yes car books too.

    Maybe a good idea to put in an interest bid with your Library/librarian just in case they decide to make space some time in the future.

    Picked up a few good manuals and books when I was last in Adelaide too, and at a reasonable small price even in the vintage book shops that usually want an arm and a leg for rough copies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-man View Post
    Thank you for the offer of the viewing, but at this stage I have no need to see them other than just out of interest. I hadn't really thought that the UK spec 760 would have needed its own handbook, but I guess given its unique differences, and likely local content rules – as well as a desire to gainfully employ the disabled, one was done.

    Also it seems in literally mint condition, with careful storage and cataloguing by the librarians, within a very honest environment. If only all libraries treated books so sympathetically!

    I'm just a sucker for brochures, and I guess anything printed with cars, I've just never grown up. One thing I have noticed with a few Dauphine brochures though is their use of the “standard” model as the feature vehicle. I've not seen a copy of the 1959 brochure, but most of the photographs used up to that date feature the cheap model, with poorly proportioned renderings of the chrome stripped deluxe models. Actually Renault seem to be one of the earlier users of photography in preference to renderings in that period. And it would seem the DS Citroen was also an influence with pastel colours taking over from the mostly primary coloured cars in the earlier brochures.

    One last thought, I'd get the librarian to remove the staple joining the 750 and Dauphine brochures together, I can just see someone accidentally grabbing one brochure, and ripping the other via the staple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Also it seems in literally mint condition, with careful storage and cataloguing by the librarians, within a very honest environment. If only all libraries treated books so sympathetically! .
    Actually, there is no librarian as such. We simply have a few rows of compactus full of workshop manuals, owner handbooks, new car brochures and press kits that the RAA Technical Advisory service calls their library.
    It has workshop manuals from the beginning of workshop manuals time. I'm talking 1920's etc. on. You name it, it will probably be there somewhere. It seems to have come to a grinding halt in the late 90's. Anything newer than that is too new for that library.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-man View Post
    Actually, there is no librarian as such.
    Sigh, fantasy shattered..
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-man View Post
    Actually, there is no librarian as such. We simply have a few rows of compactus full of workshop manuals, owner handbooks, new car brochures and press kits that the RAA Technical Advisory service calls their library.
    It has workshop manuals from the beginning of workshop manuals time. I'm talking 1920's etc. on. You name it, it will probably be there somewhere. It seems to have come to a grinding halt in the late 90's. Anything newer than that is too new for that library.
    Ah, I see. That's how those books are in such good condition. Obviously the Renaults were reliable, so there was no need for the technicians to refer to the documentation :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Ah, I see. That's how those books are in such good condition. Obviously the Renaults were reliable, so there was no need for the technicians to refer to the documentation :-)
    My, how times have changed
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    I used to love chasing up Renault documentation before the days of the internet and ebay. When every find was a treasure and took either a bit of luck at a secondhand shop or a swap meet etc. Once ebay came along with its massive array of books and brochures the fun of the chase disappeared and money became the only critrea. Yes occasionally a rare find comes on to ebay but I have lost the the interest. Its just who has the biggest pocket. Also many of the offerings are reprints or photo copies. Now I only get some thing if I need to have it for a project or research. I really need a parts book for my 4 CV and yes there are always a few on ebay. But I just don't get the thrill any more. One day when I really need one I'll get it I guess. Its only money now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 59 Floride View Post
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    Recently I had a whinge after reading that Ford Australia are apparently culling their own historic records, then sending the “important” ones back to Head Office in the States, and apparently dicing the unimportant documentation. Whether the dicing was a figment of the media or not, it would be a shame if the unimportant items did end up being destroyed, and how they made that decision between both of the items.

    There would be a lot of back of the envelope thoughts on things like the Surferoo Falcon, or Summertime Special Cortina that could be considered unimportant, similar with say a large technical library with documentation on competitor cars (brochures, workshop manuals, comparison studies, etc) that Head Office would likely consider of no importance at all. I'm hoping the dicing is incorrect, as it would be nice if the “unimportant” stuff could be saved. I'm sure there must be an institution somewhere that could catalogue what is there and make it available (I know, I know, who picks up the storage and cataloguing costs :-)). Rather than the next best scenario where a book seller grabs everything and sells it piece by piece, where the context of the remainder collection is lost.

    Today's post-lunch whinge over......
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    I had exactly the same thoughts when Ford said they were closing down the manufacturing plant. Then decided I don't really care for myself, not being into Fords, but I did hope a Ford club took an interest now before it is too late. Like the Renault stuff from Heidelberg.

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    Unlike burning, an estimated, £8,000,000 of Sex Pistols merchandise to make some obscure point about commercialisation, it should be more about preserving a snapshot of society for future amusement or analysis. Even though Renault Australia has been closed for less time than a VB Commodore has roamed the earth, there still seems to be a lack of easily accessible information out there – and information like that does not reproduce. Which is probably why I'm on my current whingefest :-)

    As can probably be seen, I'm not too set in my ways when it comes to cars, especially when the points of difference separating them become more obscure day by day. It was early family car impressions, and exposure to Renaults through the old SA Citroen club that shaped things how they turned out.

    Yes, I do likely live in the past, but I'd still like to see as much as possible kept, regardless of the marque. Especially when it relates to the Australian motor industry, and all the oddities it produced. :-)

    I guess I'm just a sucker for old car stuff. I'm still surprised now by things that I cut out of a paper years ago, just because it had a picture of a car, floating to the top of the pile :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    One last thought, I'd get the librarian to remove the staple joining the 750 and Dauphine brochures together, I can just see someone accidentally grabbing one brochure, and ripping the other via the staple.
    Separated as requested, revealing another mint brochure

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    Icon14 Can relate to your story, been there done that in the past, sigh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunroof View Post
    I used to love chasing up Renault documentation before the days of the internet and ebay. When every find was a treasure and took either a bit of luck at a secondhand shop or a swap meet etc. Once ebay came along with its massive array of books and brochures the fun of the chase disappeared and money became the only critrea. Yes occasionally a rare find comes on to ebay but I have lost the the interest. Its just who has the biggest pocket. Also many of the offerings are reprints or photo copies. Now I only get some thing if I need to have it for a project or research. I really need a parts book for my 4 CV and yes there are always a few on ebay. But I just don't get the thrill any more. One day when I really need one I'll get it I guess. Its only money now.
    I have done this search and buy, paid out a lot of money for some of my orphan "off the mainstream of Australian production stuff".

    Funny thing is that most of this information is now to be found free from the internet, and those originals (that I value) no one now wants to pay any price for that stuff and if you got an offer it is much below what one paid out competing on Ebay USA, U.K. same with parts and special tools.

    Perhaps I overpaid at the time, but then there was no local information available especially for the Fuego, it was lucky that I had help from some special people like Haakon, and others in the trade that had worked on them, loved them. Not that I am complaining as through these pages some very kind froggers have sent brochures and other technical material as they know it will be appreciated and used to assist others genuinely restoring and using these cars.

    since then I have seen many special interest in one make car sites spring up on the internet and those are great, but they all seem to have a use by date as the site owners reluctantly move to other vehicles and hobbies or simply fall off the perch.. Sad but true.

    Now I just don't chase stuff on sites like Ebay and of the "stuff" that I accumulate, I use as a form of paying it forward so others will have the enjoyment too. Like many others I have lots of early car magazines and adverts that I hope my progeny will deal with carefully, and if they don't want to keep them intact, donate to some that would appreciate the contents.

    If I had a dollar for all the things I have given away over the years, I'd be rich in one sense but poorer for missing the good feeling that goes with paying it forward. Hope you get that parts book "sunroof"

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    Yes I have had an offer of a 4CV parts book thanks. I have heaps of books and brochures etc. My son would probably dump it all but my daughter is also a collector of stuff (not car stuff) and will probably deal with it sympathetically. Perhaps when I get too old to play with my cars I might put it all on ebay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-man View Post
    Separated as requested, revealing another mint brochure

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    What a great looking 750 brochure! It really seems to reflect the optimism of the era.
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    My desk is looking very colourful at the moment

    I'll see how long they can stay there before I get questioned about when I'm going to return them to the library (to which my answer will be "soon").

    They have been attracting plenty of attention. I'll just keep them there for a while I think. But I better not allow too much sunlight on them. Can't have them lose any of that bright colour!

    My colleagues were amused when I showed them the illustration of the hot air flow from the 4CV radiator through the body to the interior. Or should I say luke warm air.
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    But wait, there's more!

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    Snap! It is actually not a bad little book. I like the Paul Frere road test, especially the closing paragraphs where by the time of the Second Edition, Renault would have imploded in the States due to the Dauphine :-)

    Based on its claimed performance, perhaps the baddies in Bullitt would have been better off in the Dauphine rather than their Dodge Charger!
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