Engine and Gearbox for R12?
  • Help
Page 1 of 2 12 Last
Results 1 to 25 of 28
Like Tree7Likes

Thread: Engine and Gearbox for R12?

  1. #1
    Administrator
    mistareno's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    4,926

    Default Engine and Gearbox for R12?

    I saw this R18 on ebay with a 1600 crossflow and 5 speed box. Might make a good donor vehicle for a R12G replica?

    Advertisement


    Renault 16 TS R18WAGON in NSW | eBay

  2. #2
    1000+ Posts REN TIN TIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Brisbane/Australia
    Posts
    2,227

    Default

    Are there any R18's still on the road in Australia?
    The last R18 I saw was over 10 year's ago and that was in a wrecker's yard.
    Haven't seen one on the road or drivable since the 80's.

    This wouldn't be a bad buy for someone near by, I'm too far away.
    "I cannot help but notice that there is no problem between us that cannot be solved by your departure. Mark Twain"

  3. #3
    VIP Sponsor David Cavanagh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Romsey, Victoria, Australia
    Posts
    4,923

    Default

    Someone please don't let another 17 motor get crushed. We're running out of them.
    Shoji and Berridale like this.
    David Cavanagh

    FRENCH CONNECTION / PEUGEO WRECKING / RENOSPARES / CITROWRECK

    03 9338 8191 or 03 93354008

    34 KING St
    AIRPORT WEST
    VIC 3042


    frenchconnect@bigpond.com

    https://www.facebook.com/FrenchConect

  4. #4
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Jerangle
    Posts
    822

    Default

    Spare block "o ring"type.
    Are the Gordini engines paper or "o ring" ?
    Both are 1565cc.

  5. #5
    Simon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    6,203

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Berridale View Post
    Are the Gordini engines paper or "o ring" ?
    12G and 17G use paper (Excelnyl) liner seals.
    1963 Renault R4 Van
    1964 Renault R4
    1967 Volkswagen 1300 Deluxe
    1969 Renault 8 Gordini 1300
    2002 Land Rover Defender Td5 130 - ex-CFA Region 4
    2005 Renaultsport Clio 182 Cup

  6. #6
    1000+ Posts bowie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    Sydney, Concord City, Sir.
    Posts
    3,614

    Default

    Oh that has a bell housing / gearbox I want. Bega..

    Hmmmm
    Shoji likes this.

    Works: 2003 YV Commodore (That is Cecil to you)
    Playing: R12, SuperPos, thinks It's a race car and Sunny the R12 Lego set.
    Previous: SuperGrumpy fuel spitting 504ti(ish), SuperComfortable 505 STI, SuperDoper carried my groceries Mi16, Choo Choo'd Volvo S40
    Wanted Will hoard 12/15/17 Junk.

    "More and more of less and less" - Marina Abramović

  7. #7
    1000+ Posts
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Boonah Qld
    Posts
    2,681

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    Someone please don't let another 17 motor get crushed. We're running out of them.
    Says it is an R16 engine. With a 17 timing cover with pulley. Hence bits are from a 17 TL. No mention of a Gordini that I could see.

    R16 engines aren't scarce Melc has 251 of them.

  8. #8
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Blackburn Victoria
    Posts
    505

    Default

    Bowie, it's only 6.5 hours driving to Bega from Melb.
    JohnnyAfrica12G likes this.

  9. #9
    VIP Sponsor David Cavanagh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Romsey, Victoria, Australia
    Posts
    4,923

    Default

    My guess is it's only a 17 head. The block will still be 18 (1647cc)

    Still a good R12 transplant and it'll have the 5 sp box
    Berridale likes this.
    David Cavanagh

    FRENCH CONNECTION / PEUGEO WRECKING / RENOSPARES / CITROWRECK

    03 9338 8191 or 03 93354008

    34 KING St
    AIRPORT WEST
    VIC 3042


    frenchconnect@bigpond.com

    https://www.facebook.com/FrenchConect

  10. #10
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Jerangle
    Posts
    822

    Default

    Pretty sure it has a R16TS head as the water pump is at the back and the hoses go back.
    Probably wanted to put some life in the R18!
    i read the ad slowly..
    Last edited by Berridale; 9th September 2016 at 11:52 PM.

  11. #11
    Simon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    6,203

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Berridale View Post
    Pretty sure it has a R16TS head as the water pump is at the back and the hoses go back.
    Probably wanted to put some life in the R18!
    Train-spotting and i read the ad slowly..
    The 15TS/17 also has the water pump at the flywheel end of the motor. Not train-spotting, and I've not read the advert. :-)
    1963 Renault R4 Van
    1964 Renault R4
    1967 Volkswagen 1300 Deluxe
    1969 Renault 8 Gordini 1300
    2002 Land Rover Defender Td5 130 - ex-CFA Region 4
    2005 Renaultsport Clio 182 Cup

  12. #12
    1000+ Posts J-man's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Littlehampton, S.A.
    Posts
    23,691

    Default

    Slight hijack but not entirely off topic .... who knows what lurked under the bonnets of the USA R12's? I saw this picture and noticed the bonnet hump suggesting maybe they were 1600 powered?

    cheers,

    John

  13. #13
    1000+ Posts schlitzaugen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    loneliness capital of the world
    Posts
    9,423

    Default

    Or just R17 bonetted?

    But you are right, they did have the 807/17TL engine. The 810 was probably considered too small for amerika.
    Last edited by schlitzaugen; 13th September 2016 at 12:45 AM.
    J-man likes this.
    ACHTUNG ALLES LOOKENPEEPERS

    Das computermachine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitssparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken bei das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets-relaxen und watch das blinkenlights.

  14. #14
    1000+ Posts REN TIN TIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Brisbane/Australia
    Posts
    2,227

    Default

    The US versions of the R12 had the same engine as the Australian R18.
    Namely the non-crossflow 1647cc motor.


    Cheers
    Ren
    "I cannot help but notice that there is no problem between us that cannot be solved by your departure. Mark Twain"

  15. #15
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Blackburn Victoria
    Posts
    505

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by REN TIN TIN View Post
    The US versions of the R12 had the same engine as the Australian R18.
    Namely the non-crossflow 1647cc motor.


    Cheers
    Ren
    Evidenced by the bump in the bonnet over the carby.
    If it was a crossflow, bump would be on the right. Right?
    Cheers, Steve.

  16. #16
    1000+ Posts schlitzaugen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    loneliness capital of the world
    Posts
    9,423

    Default

    I think you're right.
    ACHTUNG ALLES LOOKENPEEPERS

    Das computermachine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitssparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken bei das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets-relaxen und watch das blinkenlights.

  17. #17
    1000+ Posts REN TIN TIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Brisbane/Australia
    Posts
    2,227

    Default

    Yes, the hump is to clear the carb.
    I'd like to get a US spec engine (or an R18) to put into a 12.
    R15TS and R17 motors in a R12 are the usual but I don't know why but I like the 841 motor.

    Engine and Gearbox for R12?-renault-r12-1647cc-engine.jpg

    Cheers
    Ren.
    J-man likes this.
    "I cannot help but notice that there is no problem between us that cannot be solved by your departure. Mark Twain"

  18. #18
    1000+ Posts J-man's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Littlehampton, S.A.
    Posts
    23,691

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by REN TIN TIN View Post
    Yes, the hump is to clear the carb.
    I'd like to get a US spec engine (or an R18) to put into a 12.
    R15TS and R17 motors in a R12 are the usual but I don't know why but I like the 841 motor.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Renault R12 1647cc engine.jpg 
Views:	894 
Size:	97.9 KB 
ID:	89081

    Cheers
    Ren.
    I think that would make the humble Trojan a much nicer every day driver I found my Virage had to be pushed pretty hard up hills on the freeway, which of course it didn't mind but I think the 1600 would make it a more relaxed drive with easier overtaking
    cheers,

    John

  19. #19
    Simon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    6,203

    Default

    Don't forget that the US spec 15xx & 16xx cc motors produce only a small amount of torque over and above the mighty 810/05 motor. Also they are heavier with heavier steering - I prefer the good 'ol 1289 motor :-)

    See the attached table for details:
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Engine and Gearbox for R12?-renault-12-engines.png  
    1963 Renault R4 Van
    1964 Renault R4
    1967 Volkswagen 1300 Deluxe
    1969 Renault 8 Gordini 1300
    2002 Land Rover Defender Td5 130 - ex-CFA Region 4
    2005 Renaultsport Clio 182 Cup

  20. #20
    1000+ Posts
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    3,684

    Default

    You could get hold of an A6M which was 1647 cc with a crossflow head. The block was the same as the R18 block.
    They just put a plate on the end of the head where the water pump went on the 807 type motor and opened up the head at the other end and fitted the water pump and alternator on the front of the motor.

    I had on of these engines fitted to an R18 wagon with a Fuego 5 speed and rear axle.
    This car went extremely well, but still handled like a snow plough.

    I believe these engines were available in R18's and Fuegos etc in European markets.

  21. #21
    Simon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    6,203

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by 27of85 View Post
    had on of these engines fitted to an R18 wagon with a Fuego 5 speed and rear axle.
    4 x 4?
    1963 Renault R4 Van
    1964 Renault R4
    1967 Volkswagen 1300 Deluxe
    1969 Renault 8 Gordini 1300
    2002 Land Rover Defender Td5 130 - ex-CFA Region 4
    2005 Renaultsport Clio 182 Cup

  22. #22
    1000+ Posts REN TIN TIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Brisbane/Australia
    Posts
    2,227

    Default

    7.5:1 compression ration on the 841-10 motor!
    My god what sort of petrol do they have that needs a CR that low or did they have some California emission control laws that strangles the performance that much.
    "I cannot help but notice that there is no problem between us that cannot be solved by your departure. Mark Twain"

  23. #23
    1000+ Posts
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    3,684

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    4 x 4?
    No it was only a normal one. I got the engine and gearbox from a wrecker, the engine and box came out a private import Fuego that had been wrapped around a traffic light pole. I was only looking for a bell housing at the time for 5 speed conversion.
    If you've got too much traction, you haven't got enough horse power ...




    .2010 Holden Commodore Ute
    2001 Renault Sport Clio Cup 27 of 85
    1973 Alpine Renault A310/4 1600 VE

  24. #24
    VIP Sponsor David Cavanagh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Romsey, Victoria, Australia
    Posts
    4,923

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by 27of85 View Post
    No it was only a normal one. I got the engine and gearbox from a wrecker, the engine and box came out a private import Fuego that had been wrapped around a traffic light pole. I was only looking for a bell housing at the time for 5 speed conversion.

    It still lives on in my mates 18 sedan. it's on gas now and still flies.
    David Cavanagh

    FRENCH CONNECTION / PEUGEO WRECKING / RENOSPARES / CITROWRECK

    03 9338 8191 or 03 93354008

    34 KING St
    AIRPORT WEST
    VIC 3042


    frenchconnect@bigpond.com

    https://www.facebook.com/FrenchConect

  25. #25
    1000+ Posts
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    tweed heads
    Posts
    1,577

    Default

    And the gordini motor makes almost twice the hp and half as much again torque .

Page 1 of 2 12 Last

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •