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    Oil change

    I recently changed the oil in my Mi16. when i started it up afterwards it blew blue smoke. it did this for the next couple of starts and the next day was fine, just a bit of grey/black crap. the engine has only done 120,000 klms. im not that concerned just curious as to what it could have been????

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    Could possibly be the start of valve guide seals starting to show their age. Just out of curiosity, what sort of oil did you put in? On an overseas Bulletin Board a couple of months ago, a guy with a 16V Citroen mentioned he had some strange things happen when he replaced his oil with Castrol "Magnatec" which promptly disappeared once he drained it out. Similarly, someone tried to sell me oil for my 16V the other day which was 20W-50 which I reckon is a bit thick for twin cam 16V stuff, but there it was recommended on the bottle; ironically guess what brand the oil was? "TOTAL" makes you wonder doesn't it?

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    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nomad:
    I recently changed the oil in my Mi16. when i started it up afterwards it blew blue smoke. it did this for the next couple of starts and the next day was fine, just a bit of grey/black crap. the engine has only done 120,000 klms. im not that concerned just curious as to what it could have been????
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    Wasn't the first oil change was it ?!

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    it wasnt the first oil change the car has had, but was the first one i've done on it. the oil was penrite pedigree 15w/60.
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    does the oil need to be changed?
    i used the stuff left over in the wrecked engine, i just picked out the bits of the block and it seems fine

    could it have been just some excess oil or fuel that was being burnt?

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    My thoughts would be that when filling with new oil the valve area has been flooded (more than in normal running), with some oil running down the slightly worn valve guides. When started the excess oil runs into the motor, presto, blue smoke on initial startup, that clears when the excess oil has been burnt.

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    yeah thats exactly what i meant

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    Although not directly related, my local spare parts man, runs Castrol R in his V8 Holden ute. It's done 200 000 Km with 4 oil changes. After 50K he sent a sample to Castrol, and it came back within spec. of new oil, but he changed it anyway. He also claims that no other Australian made synthetic oil meets the new Europian std. Motul however, does. At $70 per 50K, Castrol R is good value. Food for thought?

    My Mi16 has done 120K. I once bought cheap oil and experineced exactly the same symptons as above. Reverting to good oil fixed the oil control problem.

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    If your car has a Cat, it wouldn't be the wisest move keeping on driving with any sort of smoke coming out the back end unless of course you were looking for a good reason to dump the cat.
    Regards the Castrol R, my son tunes a competition car which uses this & although it may perform OK for general road use, if you drive extremely hard (as Sports sedans tend to do) it tends to go pretty sloppy within a few kilometeres. The owner is looking into what other oil companies have to offer as $200+ per meeting for oil & filter is getting a bit rich.

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Andreas:
    [b]does the oil need to be changed?
    i used the stuff left over in the wrecked engine, i just picked out the bits of the block and it seems fine

    Are you serious !!! or just insane !

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    why whats wrong with that?
    dont worry i use castrol R, actually should be changed i think.

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    Amsoil is the only way to go !

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    I use the Penrite Pedigree in my 205 with no such problems, although every French car I have had so far has started with a small puff of blue smoke apart from this car !!!

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    In the past couple of days, a guy from Malaysia has been saying on the overseas BX forum how he has gone off using synthetic oil in his other cars (both turbo - Jap brands) as he reckons it tends to evaporate some away every 1000klms. Anybody else had this problem??

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    I use Mobil one in both my Gordini's and they are also protected with slick 50, neither car uses a drop of oil. I haven't changed the oil in the MI16 yet (although it is due) I will probably put it on mobil one aswell, I know it works in the Renaults so I expect the same in the Pug.

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    anyone ever heard of PM Lubricants.

    they guarantee their oil will reduce your operating costs by 15%
    and save 10% on fuel

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    Nomad,

    Is that an oil additive or a brand of oil?

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    I use mobil one in the 205 and have no problems with it. i have a weeping sump gasket, so use a little oil. in 5000ks the oil goes black. using purflux geunuine oil filter. change every 5000km. can anyone recomend a better filter or filtration system?

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    Well, I've just serviced the MI16, its now on mobil one, I've also treated it with slick 50 and fitted a purflux filter and I believe this to be the best engine protection on the market, we'll see what happens.
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    I use Amsoil synthetic. They have a particularly large filter that I was amazed that fit !
    I run this from a sandwich plate via oil cooler. Goes really well.

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    Chipper,
    PM lubricants is an oil company. there head office is at oxley. they claim there oils will save you money and boost performance, they'll even do on site testing to see if the oil is holding up to its expectaions
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    I have access to Total oils here in Australia. I was considering going to them come next oil change. As they are always recommended by Citroen, I feel a certain amount of security in doing this but 2 questiona;
    Has anyone had recent experience with Total?
    How easy is Total oil to get in the rest of Australia & how expensive, as I can buy it for less than Valvoline?


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    Just to throw a spanner in the works here, I changed the oil in my 205 on the weekend back to HPR 30 Penrite from Penrite Pedigree synthetic and it sure as hell has made the engine a touch quieter, not that its really noisy, but the difference was notable. I dont think it was just because it was new oil (4000 klm for the pedigree), but perhaps cause its a touch thicker and I used an additive called "Roil" (royal, sumpthin like that) and it has in combination with the new oil made the engine feel as slick as $#!t off a shiny shovel !!

    This stuff actually penetrates the pours of the metal and releases upon friction like cold starts etc. A mate used to soak his gokart chain in this stuff and didnt lube it afterwards for bloody ages.

    Anyone else heard of this stuff?

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    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Chipper:
    Just to throw a spanner in the works here, I changed the oil in my 205 on the weekend back to HPR 30 Penrite from Penrite Pedigree synthetic and it sure as hell has made the engine a touch quieter, not that its really noisy, but the difference was notable. I dont think it was just because it was new oil (4000 klm for the pedigree), but perhaps cause its a touch thicker and I used an additive called "Roil" (royal, sumpthin like that) and it has in combination with the new oil made the engine feel as slick as $#!t off a shiny shovel !!

    This stuff actually penetrates the pours of the metal and releases upon friction like cold starts etc. A mate used to soak his gokart chain in this stuff and didnt lube it afterwards for bloody ages.

    Anyone else heard of this stuff?

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    Hi Chipper,

    I know this company well. I have had a fringe dweller association with them since around 1992. It's an MLM type of operation which was started by a guy called Tom Mower from the US. He was a research chemist who saw a lot of products fall by the wayside through lack of interest & development capital, & decided there was an opportunity to cash in on both his & his fellow researchers efforts by selling them via MLM. His greatest claim to fame was his invention of a substitute for chlorine for water purification after some kids were poisoned with chlorine. They sponsor Rosco Mc Glashen in the "Spirit of Australia" for his land speed record attempts, a couple of dragsters, go-karts, sprint cars & I think one or two V8 Supercars, all of which supposedly use this product.
    I have seen testimonials over the years singing the virtues of the stuff but to be quite honest have never used it as although most of their gear is very expensive, it normally works well enough to justify the cost.
    If anybody is intending using it, I would suggest that you "sign up" to become a distributor which I think is about $66 for initial sign up which includes all the videos, propoganda etc & thereafter $25 per annum for renewal but as the mark up is pretty attractive, this is usually quickly covered particularly if you have friends who also want to use it.
    Before anybody starts jumping off the perch by telling me that I'm using this board for commercial advantage, get it clear, I really don't give a stuff who you sign up with, but I suppose with me & my missus you're not going to get hasseled as there is little chance of us benefitting as we don't harbour too many ambitions of life on the Riviera. I know people who have made a fair bit of dough selling the gear but I think it depends on whether you want to use it or make a business out of it or both
    If anyone wants more detailed info drop me a line on alans@aussiefrogs.com
    and I'll scan a bit of stuff & send it to you.

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    Yes I've heard of Roil, I once had the rep try to sell it to me, Slick 50, Roil, Nulon, there probably all the same and the reps will tell you there's is better, at work we use and recomend slick 50 mainly because my father being an engineer can read all the tests and has he says the Australian society of engineers independently test all of these and publish there results and slick 50 is the only company who publish these findings, we have slick 50 product books at work and every claim they make will state the society of engineers test paper number so anyone can contact the society and get facts first hand, none of the other companies do this.
    I first heard about slick 50 about 15 years ago, the article talked about a Renault 12 rally car in QLD somewhere, where they split an oil line to the cooler in the middle of nowhere and pumped all the oil out, they figured they would try and drive out, figuring 1k they drive is 1k less to walk, with the oil light glowing they kept the revs down to a minimum and the car kept going, as there confidence grew there speed increased and soon they were back up to speed pulling 7000RPM in all gears and finished the event, got 3rd outright with no oil in the sump and the oil light glowing. Now I realise all companies probably claim similar stories but in our own cars I can see smoother idle, more power, better fuel economy, now I wouldn't say Roil or Nulon aunt as good as slick 50, all I'm saying is I know slick 50 works.
    PS. I have product books at work I can mail out if people want some.

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