Peugeot 308 “engine management system faulty” now “anti-pollution fault”

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The initial problem was an Air Conditioner issue - on a Peugeot 308 Variant 10 1.6L 6SPA XSE 6 speed Sportium Hatch 2010 model. The car has only done 69000 km. The car is owned by an older family member (pensioner) and has spent approx. 18 months being run on sub-standard fuel – E10 and 91 RON. I am trying to assist the owner and have ensured that it has since been run on 98RON for the last 2 tank refills.

The initial problem occurred after 6 months of use of the sub-standard fuel where a combustion-related [i.e. an “engine management system faulty”] alarm occurred. Not long after that the air conditioner stopped working. I went to a local 'air conditioner specialist' who quoted $2500 for a new compressor - but I wasn't confident in his diagnosis, so I went searching for a Peugeot mechanical specialist. I could not find a local mechanic who is experienced in Peugeots so a journey of 120km away saw me attending a mechanical workshop (where European cars were advertised as their business). The mechanic indicated that the alarm was firstly D209H/53769 and 494H/1172 then upon reset became P1605 – he could not interpret these codes but recommended that the air conditioner pressure switch be changed. As this was a straightforward exercise, I purchased the unit and changed the old one but did not result in a fix. Consulting an electrical engineering mate, there was/is no electrical supply from the ECU supplying the compressor under normal operational conditions. The compressor can be operated with a temporary supply from the battery – so the issue is with the ECU responding to the “engine management system faulty” alarm.

Going back to the same mechanical workshop, the mechanic then replaced the thermostat assembly (apparently a common fault where the ECU doesn’t get a signal to switch the air compressor on) but surprise, surprise this also did not fix the fault.

Up to this stage, the car had been driving normally except for the non-functioning Air Con and that “engine management system faulty” alarm. More recently however, during a normal drive to the shopping centre, an “anti-pollution fault” has also occurred – the advent of this most recent issue has caused the car to go into ‘limp’ mode.

Here in the Newcastle, NSW [Hunter Valley], there is an extreme shortage of competent Peugeot factory trained diagnostic technicians (that I can find) so it has been a frustrating exercise to try to diagnose the root cause. Now in limp mode, it is problematic to use the car to visit possible mechanics in for example, the Sydney metro area.

The research I have done from this and other forums indicate that the issue could possibly be an exhaust or vacuum pipe leak, a faulty O2 sensor or even the catalytic converter.

The reason behind this post is to seek opinions from any Peugeot owner who has experienced a similar situation and if there is anyone out there in the Newcastle NSW area who being familiar with this type of Peugeot (and who perhaps has an Autel Scanner or similar) and would like to be employed to investigate the issue for us. All enquiries welcome ….
Thank you in advance, Jeff M.
 
AC not working is often a downgrade mode due to some other issue, such as a pollution fault. P1605 appears to relate to an engine / gearbox torque error, so it is more likely a symptom of poor engine output than the root cause. The other fault codes don't appear sensible to me and you probably need to try another scan tool. NRMA or Supercheap might be a reasonable options for a fault code reading as you need to know the fault codes to help in the diagnosis. So this would be a direct fuel injection engine and there may be cylinder head carbon fouling problems. There are a few threads on this issue regarding walnut blasting and trying chemical cleaners such as Seafoam or similar cleaners from Nulon, CRC etc.. A common cause of both a pollution fault and AC dropping out (and cruise) is the engine cooling fan control module shorting out internally. If the engine fan does not have two speeds or you find a fan speed control fault has been logged, you might want to try another control module - avoid the cheap eBay versions as they can be very substandard inside. There are others from your area on this forum, so I will leave it to them to suggest local technical help options.
 
Seems a very ambiguous for 'suspect areas':
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AC not working is often a downgrade mode due to some other issue, such as a pollution fault. P1605 appears to relate to an engine / gearbox torque error, so it is more likely a symptom of poor engine output than the root cause. The other fault codes don't appear sensible to me and you probably need to try another scan tool. NRMA or Supercheap might be a reasonable options for a fault code reading as you need to know the fault codes to help in the diagnosis. So this would be a direct fuel injection engine and there may be cylinder head carbon fouling problems. There are a few threads on this issue regarding walnut blasting and trying chemical cleaners such as Seafoam or similar cleaners from Nulon, CRC etc.. A common cause of both a pollution fault and AC dropping out (and cruise) is the engine cooling fan control module shorting out internally. If the engine fan does not have two speeds or you find a fan speed control fault has been logged, you might want to try another control module - avoid the cheap eBay versions as they can be very substandard inside. There are others from your area on this forum, so I will leave it to them to suggest local technical help options.
many thanks for your input.
 
many thanks for your input.
I have a Peugeot 206 automatic 1.6 litre car which had an "antipollution fault". This turned out to be due to the oxygen sensors(pre and post) being faulty and was fixed by replacing them, finally with Bosch types. (The injection system is a Bosch one). With the incorrect fuel grade being used in the car as you state for so long the sensors could be faulty. A lot of the ECU error codes that you get unfortunately turn out to be not the root cause of the problem, but a consequence of it instead. Anyway that was my experience.
Yours John505
 
You need a proper diagnosis of the problem. Ideally you want someone with Diagbox and the cable to go with it, as well as some idea how to use it. Third party scan tools often don't work as well as the original. When there is a fault there may be multiple fault codes generated, with some being effects rather than causes. Sometimes it takes a bit of working out which is which, even with the right information. Just randomly replacing things that could be the problem is an expensive and frustrating way of doing things. I'm in Tassie so can't help you directly with you problem. Hopefully you can find someone nearby who has the gear and knows how to use it.

Kim
 
Certainly 91 fuel won't help and prolonged use has done bad things to catalysts and so on in some other models over the years , but it would cope with E10 and it is usually not much under 95 RON anyway. There are some members who have experience a rusted out pump/gauge unit in the fuel tank after leaving a tank part filled with E10 for a prolonged period because of moisture.

Plugs are relatively cheap and usually won't last much past 40K, so maybe worth changing if there is any doubt about the age.
 
P1605 is a really odd one. Some documents refer to keep alive memory.

One of my PSA manuals says it is Sortie Volonté conducteur which I also found odd - driver's wishes gone sortie.

So I looked at some other PSA documents and found this:
Les boîtes à commandes électroniques détectent la volonté du conducteur, ne refusent pas les montées en régime ....
(Electronically controlled gearboxes detect driver's requirements, and do not refuse revving/changing up)

So perhaps it means that the gearbox isn't responding to the driver. See David S's reply above. I don't think it is the main problem.
 
AC not working is often a downgrade mode due to some other issue, such as a pollution fault. P1605 appears to relate to an engine / gearbox torque error, so it is more likely a symptom of poor engine output than the root cause. The other fault codes don't appear sensible to me and you probably need to try another scan tool. NRMA or Supercheap might be a reasonable options for a fault code reading as you need to know the fault codes to help in the diagnosis. So this would be a direct fuel injection engine and there may be cylinder head carbon fouling problems. There are a few threads on this issue regarding walnut blasting and trying chemical cleaners such as Seafoam or similar cleaners from Nulon, CRC etc.. A common cause of both a pollution fault and AC dropping out (and cruise) is the engine cooling fan control module shorting out internally. If the engine fan does not have two speeds or you find a fan speed control fault has been logged, you might want to try another control module - avoid the cheap eBay versions as they can be very substandard inside. There are others from your area on this forum, so I will leave it to them to suggest local technical help options.
Many thanks for your thoughts...
 
P1605 is a really odd one. Some documents refer to keep alive memory.

One of my PSA manuals says it is Sortie Volonté conducteur which I also found odd - driver's wishes gone sortie.

So I looked at some other PSA documents and found this:
Les boîtes à commandes électroniques détectent la volonté du conducteur, ne refusent pas les montées en régime ....
(Electronically controlled gearboxes detect driver's requirements, and do not refuse revving/changing up)

So perhaps it means that the gearbox isn't responding to the driver. See David S's reply above. I don't think it is the main problem.
Many thanks for your thoughts...
AC not working is often a downgrade mode due to some other issue, such as a pollution fault. P1605 appears to relate to an engine / gearbox torque error, so it is more likely a symptom of poor engine output than the root cause. The other fault codes don't appear sensible to me and you probably need to try another scan tool. NRMA or Supercheap might be a reasonable options for a fault code reading as you need to know the fault codes to help in the diagnosis. So this would be a direct fuel injection engine and there may be cylinder head carbon fouling problems. There are a few threads on this issue regarding walnut blasting and trying chemical cleaners such as Seafoam or similar cleaners from Nulon, CRC etc.. A common cause of both a pollution fault and AC dropping out (and cruise) is the engine cooling fan control module shorting out internally. If the engine fan does not have two speeds or you find a fan speed control fault has been logged, you might want to try another control module - avoid the cheap eBay versions as they can be very substandard inside. There are others from your area on this forum, so I will leave it to them to suggest local technical help options.
Many thanks for your thoughts...
 
I have a Peugeot 206 automatic 1.6 litre car which had an "antipollution fault". This turned out to be due to the oxygen sensors(pre and post) being faulty and was fixed by replacing them, finally with Bosch types. (The injection system is a Bosch one). With the incorrect fuel grade being used in the car as you state for so long the sensors could be faulty. A lot of the ECU error codes that you get unfortunately turn out to be not the root cause of the problem, but a consequence of it instead. Anyway that was my experience.
Yours John505
Many thanks for your thoughts..
 
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