Peugeot 207 HDi Transaxle Oil Change, Where to buy oil?

[LukeK_GT]

Hi Guys
Looking to change my transaxle oil in my 207 HDi Lemans.
Clutch needs to be done at the next service (150000kms) so this will naturally just be done as well.

Anyway it seems I need to use GL-4 75W80 with spec PSA B71 2330.
Looks like the only real choice is Total TRANSMISSION GEAR 8 75W-80 / TRAXIUM GEAR 8 75W-80
Looks like it has some sort of friction modifier in it specific to PSA Gearboxes which seems to rule out every other 75W-80 oil. I gather that would be something specific to the synchro's PSA uses.
Am I wrong?
Or is this just pure hand in marketing between Total and PSA to keep you using their product and not another generic GL-4 75W-80?

I had drama sourcing Total C2 grade Engine oil when I first got the car that did not have stealer pricing years ago and can only imagine I will be facing the same problem with this transmission oil. I actually ordered a case of engine oil from Golden West Lubricants(WA) to Sydney as the NSW distributor was not interested in selling to the public at the time. Other brands with the PSA spec were not viable at the time as they all wanted over $100 for a 5L bottle, Mobil, Liqui Moly etc. Now engine oil is a piece of cake as a few other brands have the spec and you an get them from retail stores on sale.

But the transmission oil is really unique for Australia.
Obviously when you only need 2L of transmission oil I can see the distributors not being interested in the business as they are about bulk orders.

Do any of the Total distributors do consumer level orders?

So where and how do you get the stuff?
Or is there an alternative I am not seeing?

 

[dmccurtayne]

Check my oil posts

 

[LukeK_GT]

Check my oil posts

Errrrrr struggling here.
I can search for posts under your username, but the forum won't let you search short key words like oil.
So any hints on where I should be looking.

 

[dmccurtayne]

I've got total 5/30 mcs and LL both are c2 or better in 20 liters for 170 each I don't have any gearoil left funny they went straight away

 

[LukeK_GT]

Well I'm after gear oil not engine oil.
Like I said in my original post engine oil is very easy to get these days in the correct C2 spec with PSA standards.

Trying to work out how to source the Total 75W-80 Gear oil for the transaxle.

 

[dmccurtayne]

Well I can read and with the attitude I won't go on to say when I could get you the gb oil

 

[driven]

Check out eBay Penrite 75-80 Semi Synth

 

[LukeK_GT]

Well I can read and with the attitude I won't go on to say when I could get you the gb oil

???
I'm confused as all I did was read your response and responded to it based on what you replied with as you had very little information regarding how to get gearbox oil, nor did you state you supplied or could get gearbox oil, just said you had none. You just listed pricing for engine oil which I don't need so was trying to work out why you were pricing up engine oil when I was asking about gear oil.

Not sure how this has been perceived as an attitude issue.
I just want to source and buy the right oil, not get into a cryptic argument on the internet of perceived attitudes.

To keep this simple and avoid further confusion.
Are you an oil supplier/stockist/wholesaler etc?
Can you get the aforementioned Total TRANSMISSION GEAR 8 75W-80 / TRAXIUM GEAR 8 75W-80? Or equivalent that meets the PSA spec?
What sort of pricing are we talking?

 

[LukeK_GT]

Check out eBay Penrite 75-80 Semi Synth View attachment 138461

Yeah mate.
Seen that one as well as the Nulon 75W80 Semi Syn. Very easy to get either one of those.

Just not 100% sure if you can use them as the Total data sheet mentions it has a friction modifier for PSA Gearboxes. Which my best guess has something to do with the PSA B71 2330 spec.

Or is the above spec just a pure hand in hand deal between PSA and Total to get people to use only their oil for PSA cars?
Normally GL-4 grade oil is already friction modified for Synchros to work properly.
Without knowing the internals of the gearbox I myself don't know if the PSA gearboxes need a certain extra friction modifier, but would like to know if they do before just buing any 75W-80 GL-4 oil.

 

[SLC206]

So where and how do you get the stuff?
Or is there an alternative I am not seeing?

Dealers (well some of them) do sell it. Last I heard Parramatta had given up selling parts, but Peter Warren and Continental Cars both sell it.

 

[seasink]

Doesn't this car use the common 5 speed box?

 

[SLC206]

Doesn't this car use the common 5 speed box?

Not 100% sure but I believe the 207 1.6 HDi has the BE4/5 fitted.

 

[LukeK_GT]

Dealers (well some of them) do sell it. Last I heard Parramatta had given up selling parts, but Peter Warren and Continental Cars both sell it.

Yep. Bought of Peter Warren before. If it comes to getting it from a dealer that is what I will do.
Being such uncommon cars here that happens a bit and it looks like the gearbox oil will be in the same boat.
I need to get some of those rubber plug things that the airbox and engine cover clip into anyway.
I think you may be right Re Paramatta. I remember asking for a quote for something a while back and they never got back to me so I got it from peter Warren instead.

Doesn't this car use the common 5 speed box?

Not 100% sure but I believe the 207 1.6 HDi has the BE4/5 fitted.

I don't know what the common 5 speed is.
I know my 207 has a 5 Speed. And I know it has a dual mass fly wheel. When I search 207 HDi gearbox I see some mentions of BE4/5 for parts.

The service book actually says to check the oil level every service but you don't need to change it. The main user manual tells you how many litres 1.9, but that is it.
Supposedly filled for life.*
Had to put that * there as a manufacturers idea of life is generally the warranted or expected usage period.
The book also does not tell you which oil or grade for anything bar the engine oil. The books are pathetic compared to any other brand of car I have owned from various countries. Everything in it is refer to dealer or no information except for the engine oil grade. Must be a French thing. No wonder the government has scrapped the Submarine deal. I can't recall if my Renault Clio book was like that as well as I did not have the RS200 for very long.

BTW I may still be chasing the single mass flywheel conversion I asked about on this forum a while back. My 207 is already modified. No more 80kw and 240nm. I have had 106kw and 290nm for the last 8000kms. That really proved my clutch is stuffed as it slips much more with the extra low end torque, get revs spikes from 1600 to 2400 RPM quite often, used to be 1600 to 2100 RPM before the power increase. Can be tuned for more if the dual mass goes and is replaced by a single mass.

BTW going through my service book I had the gearbox oil changed at 10 years 100 000kms when I had the timing belt done. I remember asking for that. I don't know what oil went into it though, but it was done by a Citroen Specialist(close enough to Peugeot lol) so likely the correct stuff. Been driving fine for almost 50000kms.

 

[seasink]

By common I mean the 5 speed BE box. There's nothing particularly special about the fluid. You can add teflon/moly treatment if you wish.

 

[driven]

Yeah mate.
Seen that one as well as the Nulon 75W80 Semi Syn. Very easy to get either one of those.

Just not 100% sure if you can use them as the Total data sheet mentions it has a friction modifier for PSA Gearboxes. Which my best guess has something to do with the PSA B71 2330 spec.

Or is the above spec just a pure hand in hand deal between PSA and Total to get people to use only their oil for PSA cars?
Normally GL-4 grade oil is already friction modified for Synchros to work properly.
Without knowing the internals of the gearbox I myself don't know if the PSA gearboxes need a certain extra friction modifier, but would like to know if they do before just buing any 75W-80 GL-4 oil.

Check the spec on the Penrite or even call them as they are an Australian company

 

[SLC206]

If I still owned my 207, I'd happily use the Penrite 75W80 oil.

Liqui Moly also make one which quotes the Peugeot spec: Liqui Moly gearbox oil

I'm also partial to a squeeze of Nulon G70, but that can be a controversial thing

 

[LukeK_GT]

If I still owned my 207, I'd happily use the Penrite 75W80 oil.

Liqui Moly also make one which quotes the Peugeot spec: Liqui Moly gearbox oil

I'm also partial to a squeeze of Nulon G70, but that can be a controversial thing

Don't know why I did not look up Liquimoly as it is reasonably obtainable in Aus and covers quite a fair few European cars quite well.

Bit dubious about that linked one because it is GL-5.
Normally GL-5 is for Transfer Cases and Differentials(Hypoid Gears). Usually way more slippery than GL-4. IE, no good for synchros.
So not sure why Liquimoly has it specifically listed for Pug/Citroen. Also comes up in their Lube matcher.
Sending them an email for clarification.

But since you got me looking at Liquimoly, I saw this in the lube matcher as well.
Top Tec mtf 5200 75w-80
Has the PSA B71 2330 Spec and is GL-4.

 

[LukeK_GT]

Liqui Moly got back to me.
They Recommend the MTF 5200.

Here is their exact words.

In this instance both are safe to use as they comply with PSA B71 2330, However I would recommend the MTF 5200 as it is a newer formulation.


In general, a GL-5 lubricant is not normally suited to manual gearboxes, however in the instance of our GL-5 oil, it has managed to meet the standards set by Peugeot/Citroen for that approval which would allow it to work with the materials in that gearbox.


Again, both safe in that application, but I would recommend the MTF 5200.

SO it looks like I have found the alternative product to use to Total that meets the PSA standard that you can actually get.
All I got to do is wait a few days and hopefully Automotive Superstore has some sort of Great deal for Black Friday, not that it is that expensive anyway.
Will likely be using the same stuff in a Nissan Dualis which I'm sure is using a shared Nissan/Renault Gearbox. This stuff meets the requirements for both Renault/Nissan as well.


I also did get a quote from Peugeot. Not to pricey at all.
BUT they quoted using Total HBVFE 2 75W.
PSA standard B71 2316.
I believe the branded name for this is Total Traxium Gear 9 FE SAE 75W.
Not sure what is going on there as I though that lighter oil was their later cars with 6 speed boxes like the 208/308.
My guess is they just want to stock one product since they realistically would be doing stuff all Transmission oil changes.
I will give them a call to clarify that one.



EDIT:
Called them and they had quoted the wrong oil....gave them the VIN.
The "correct" oil is more expensive. There PSA part number actually links you to a Mobil Oil.
Pug Part Number, 9730-AG.
Mobil™ Gear Oil FE 75W
Mobil Link
Again it is a 75W oil, not 75W-80. According to Mobil it replaces the 75W-80.
And has PSA spec 2310.
Seems to be more worried about fuel economy crap than gearbox protection.

Might try giving continental cars ago as well as I know they are quite pedantic about using the right stuff. Remember them being very over the top when we had a Citroen C2.

IF that results in the same, I will be going with the Liqui Moly MTF 5200.

 

[LukeK_GT]

Well there you go.
Continental cars is using Total HBVFE 2 75W for warranty work only on newer cars.
There system also said that same oil for my VIN, but off the top of their head they say 75W80 as well.

In the end they use 75W80 Penrite for out of warranty work on the older 5 Speed Boxes.
So there you have it.
If it is good enough for them, I guess it will be good enough for mine.
Can get that any day of the week.

If there is a good Special on the Liqui Moly MTF 5200 for Black Friday I will get that purely because it does have the PSA standard listed, otherwise it will be the Penrite which is on sale at Repco right now for Auto Club members.
I believe the Liqui Moly may be Full Synthetic and the Penrite I know is Semi-Syn. Only found one thing on the US Liqui Moly website that said it's made from Hydrocracked oil which normally means Synthetic in Australia at least. Getting that verified by Liqui Moly.

EDIT:
Liqui Moly got back to me.
The 5200 is technically Semi Synthetic.
Although it can sold as as Synthetic in most counties. All comes down to that Castrol/Mobil court case from about 20 years ago.

 

[choonsta]

A friend fwd these to me sometime ago. I'm not sure if it is compatible.
I don't know what price or where to source them yet.