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Russell Hall said:
The great British public will not miss the diseased horsemeat sold as beef mince in the wonderful EU but will once again have access to high quality Australian agricultural produce, the best in the world.
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Ah the old horse meat scandal.....a bit like a Tesla crashing somewhere in the world.
The gift that keeps on giving.
Australia has the opportunity to bring the cold reality of Brexit home the least wealthy Brit.
The tax haven legislation (Panama papers) is required by 1 January .......time’s running out for the squires of the shires to get the hard Brexit delivered.

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The old horse meat scandal is verified fact and well covered in the agricultural press. You could have a horse break down at Epsom on Saturday, have it pumped full of all sorts of drugs not suitable for humans, on a horse float to Rumania on Monday and straight back into the EU as beef mince. All perfectly legal under EU regulations. As much as 15% of the EU beef mince supply was estimated to be chemical laced unregulated horse meat. All possible under a system run by Brussels bureaucrats. Read Stock and Land, Stock Journal or the Weekly Times for coverage. At the same time their bureaucrats were in Australia imposing all manner of petty regulations on producers who wished to supply the small EU quota. The EU wrecked the world dairy trade recently and sent our dairy industry into crisis by imposing sanctions on their biggest customer and then dumping the unsold product into our markets under subsidy. The EU has no admirers among farmers on this side of the world.
 
The British farmers will be free at last to compete with the unsubsidised Australasian producers........right.
Meanwhile the tax evasion industry hides behind the horse meat, dreaded EU (supposedly unaccountable) bureaucrats smokescreens as promoted by the great British tabloids.
As alway - follow the tax minimisation industry.


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British farmers have their own problems at present and will adapt to any new economic situation. Nobody is talking about open access for Australian agricultural produce but a trade deal that again allows Tasmanian apples, Victorian cheese and butter and our beef and lamb to be on British shelves. Nice but only a niche market for Australia.
 
Russell Hall said:
British farmers have their own problems at present and will adapt to any new economic situation. Nobody is talking about open access for Australian agricultural produce but a trade deal that again allows Tasmanian apples, Victorian cheese and butter and our beef and lamb to be on British shelves once again. Nice but only a niche market for Australia.
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It’s all about maintaining tax havens which the EU has legislated against (effective 1 January 2019) and for which complementary member states are required to legislate for no later the 1 January 2020.
Powerful British interests including media owners love Brexit but only if it delivers.
Follow the money for the truth.


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I couldn't care less about tax havens but when an EU bureaucrat tries to impose their regulations in Australia it does not endear them to me particularly as their over regulation produces poor results in their own area. What the British do is their business but I believe they feel the same about Brussels regulating so much of their lives just as I do about being told by Brussels which loading ramp I can use. I hope we stand up to Brussels and retain the names of products like champagne that we have produced for over a century.
 
Russell Hall said:
I couldn't care less about tax havens but when an EU bureaucrat tries to impose their regulations in Australia it does not endear them to me particularly as their over regulation produces poor results in their own area. What the British do is their business but I believe they feel the same about Brussels regulating so much of their lives just as I do about being told by Brussels which loading ramp I can use. I hope we stand up to Brussels and retain the names of products like champagne that we have produced for over a century.
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I can understand that you don’t care about the monied interest having it over the less comfortably well-off .
The workers in the auto manufacturing and Airbus wing manufacturing will also be losers.
What area they going to sell to the world and what will they have to trade off .....other than their farmers?.
We do law, finance and education and so do the yanks.
It’s about tax havens for the haves.


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Whatever happens I don't see Europe as a technological leader in automobiles or much else anymore. Which I regret.
 
Russell Hall said:
Whatever happens I don't see Europe as a technological leader in automobiles or much else anymore. Which I regret.
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We’ve had the best times unless you are one of the young who don’t much care for driving on crowded roads but are certainly prepared to be ‘chauffeured’ whilst they get on with the important business of selfies and social media in general.
I hanker for a ‘crude’ simple Bollinger type for our high country.


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Stuey said:
Gee Schlitz, I agree with some of your sentiment but there are some broad brush strokes there that may be a little unfair.

(I have set foot in the wonderful EU).
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I you haven't ventured outside the dreaded uk, I wouldn't count the experience. If you did, you don't need me to explain why the above.

Broad strokes for a broad discussion. It's an internet forum. Nobody has time for minutiae, let alone I wouldn't expect anyone to read a post more than a paragraph long. If one wants to find out more about something or other, they do their own footwork.

I have traveled extensively to satisfy my own curiosity and the initial feeling that in Oz truth about the rest of the world is severely distorted by a coarse british lens has deepened with time and experience.
 
Our view of the world is always governed by our experience. But the present view young Australians have of the world seems to be quite different to that of the first postwar generation.
 
Some in the European Union are terrified of the economic damage that potentially can be inflicted on the European economy and so frantic behind the scenes efforts by those whose economies will be expected to prop up the EU when Britain departs, and as I see it the UK may be in a better position than it ever was to leverage a better deal exit by doing absolutely very little, and just let the Europeans panic at the prospect of a No deal hard Brexit, there has already been overtures by politicians to that effect but the stubborn Commissars like good public servants are mounting a rearguard much to the dismay of the formerly arrogant politicians.

I kind of think that the UK will be much better off with a hard Brexit, especially in regard to vehicle production, sales in Australia and America.

Just my thoughts of course, make up your own mind.

Ken
 
Kenfuego said:
Some in the European Union are terrified of the economic damage that potentially can be inflicted on the European economy and so frantic behind the scenes efforts by those whose economies will be expected to prop up the EU when Britain departs, and as I see it the UK may be in a better position than it ever was to leverage a better deal exit by doing absolutely very little, and just let the Europeans panic at the prospect of a No deal hard Brexit, there has already been overtures by politicians to that effect but the stubborn Commissars like good public servants are mounting a rearguard much to the dismay of the formerly arrogant politicians.

I kind of think that the UK will be much better off with a hard Brexit, especially in regard to vehicle production, sales in Australia and America.

Just my thoughts of course, make up your own mind.

Ken
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That’s the line being used by the English tabloids too.
Lots of blue sky verbiage but zero specific content as to exactly what markets and what unique British achievement can be sold in exchange for the trade off.
I imagine our farmers, who have water, are no longer interested now that China dominates our primary exports.
The quaint British farms will fall to the Argentines and Brazilians I guess.....if the yanks don’t do it first.
We used to get our performance Hondas from England but that industry is going fast also.
Follow the money and the trusts to the tax havens perhaps.


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Matters often don't work out as planned. Australia has diverse markets for primary product exports. China is an important market but their buying fluctuates. Where they are the major buyer such as in wool there are large price swings. Access to the British market again would be valuable. But in automobile production, an independent Britain may do better. Production in Britain has picked up somewhat after the big closures and is not far below France which has stagnated at 1980's production levels. The Rootes sale to Peugeot ended up badly for Britain.
 
Russell Hall said:
Matters often don't work out as planned. Australia has diverse markets for primary product exports. China is an important market but their buying fluctuates. Where they are the major buyer such as in wool there are large price swings. Access to the British market again would be valuable. But in automobile production, an independent Britain may do better. Production in Britain has picked up somewhat after the big closures and is not far below France which has stagnated at 1980's production levels. The Rootes sale to Peugeot ended up badly for Britain.
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What British owned automotive industry beyond the low volume specialists? GM Europe sold out to PSA group with consequent collateral damage to Britain that’s only now being absorbed at workers costs.
France is PSA and Renault and face their own extinction.
China’s citizens doesn’t trust it’s own to supply clean foodstuffs of any sort - pork, dairy etc and they have discovered a taste for our beef.
What has the UK got that’s special and who will be traded off?.
Follow the money to the very British tax havens who are most threatened by the EU legislation.
Panama Papers etc.


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schlitzaugen said:
I you haven't ventured outside the dreaded uk, I wouldn't count the experience. If you did, you don't need me to explain why the above.

Broad strokes for a broad discussion. It's an internet forum. Nobody has time for minutiae, let alone I wouldn't expect anyone to read a post more than a paragraph long. If one wants to find out more about something or other, they do their own footwork.

I have traveled extensively to satisfy my own curiosity and the initial feeling that in Oz truth about the rest of the world is severely distorted by a coarse british lens has deepened with time and experience.
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The list of world automobile production I've been using is from 2017 so things may have changed but it gives a British production of over 1.6 million compared to a French of 1.75 million. Vauxhall, Ford, Rover and Japanese owned assembly plants as well as low volume specialty makers. Years ago Peugeot were complaining of British assembled Japanese cars flooding the EU market. Germany is the traditional maker that has expanded with 5.5 million.The big change is in Eastern Europe - Czech Republic over 1.3 million and Slovakia 1 million and so on. So British car manufacturing is doing better than I thought even if the firms are foreign owned and some of the cars are assembly only.
China and the meat trade and African Swine Fever is interesting but a separate topic for the Pond.
 
There seems to be a lot of biased junk propaganda paid for by certain would be manufacturers and their investor backers who claim much but deliver little, unless they can force governments to restrict other competitors who produce more marketable and cheaper vehicles or induce governments to subsidize their product - almost like the British experience where corporate interests secured money for wind farms on the promise that they would solve all problems, but if you ask the ordinary man in the street in the UK IF they did that the universal reply is that they did not. If you ask the same man in the street if the current push for electric vehicles was mandated into law if their fragile electricity Grid could now supply power to charge them and the answer not at all despite the huge promotion and councils declaring their area is a low pollution area and penalising conventional fuelled vehicles with punitive taxes and levies on Diesel owners and Corporates using the vehicles, subsidies by stealth.

The hot Gospeling wind farm urgers and investors have fled the UK to try and use other ruses in other places because the average person woke up to the scams that just didn't deliver any real benefits to ordinary working people apart from higher energy costs and unreliable power. The only bright side is that the new Nuclear Electricity Generators IF THEY GET BUILT quickly, just might stave off the total collapse of the UK grid with present electricity consumption.

The general comment is that all promises have lead to nothing and ordinary people can't see Britain ever having an abundance of electricity due to massive bungling and delay, and that Mr and Mrs average can't even afford to buy a new car electric or not, Brexit of course just adds its own complications, I'd urge anyone with relatives or friends in the UK (the ordinary people) to ask them about this, and if they think the present propaganda peddlars have the slightest chance of delivering.

My research in that regard seems to indicate the majority will suffer, while a few rich promoters will cream off what they can before skipping the country like the select group that lobbied for wind farms and lined their own pockets. There is quite a bit of anger and some despair in the UK with winter looming. But the lobbyists and paid propaganda peddlars will tell you their rosy promotional stories till reality hits.

Almost the "perfect economic" storm that might deliver more chaos than ordinary workers can handle.

Ken.
 
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