607 V6 auto won't start.

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Took on the task of replacing 5 shortish pieces of loom wiring that a rat or similar critter had used to snack on. The wires all went to the same connector which is in a box type arrangement immediately rearward of the engine bay battery box. The car is a 2003 V6 607 with auto g'box. The connector has provision for 6 wires and is the same as the connectors used at the top of the front suspension struts but the wiring colours are different. I suspect that the replaced wiring was part of the ESP function. The unit where the connector is plugged in also carries a 50 Amp fuse which I feel is part of the Service battery in the boot system.
Now that the wiring is good again, save for the possibility of the 2 whites being transposed, it won't start. It used to start first turn even with a nest of chewed wiring being open circuit or shorting between themselves prior to disassembling the box type housing to gain more work room. A look on google for clues led to learning that the engine bay battery apparently does nothing more crank the engine - it was doing a great job of that task. Removed the 16 month old Service battery, which was down, and charged it (a N44 size). Waited 15 min after fitting before trying to start. Neither key worked; had only used 1 previously so no idea if the other works or not. Currently the starting battery is on the charger in case my idea of good is not god.
The only sign of any sort of red light warning is the flashing key icon in a switch at the lower front of the centre console. The handbook attributes the task of allowing the doors, the boot and filler flap to be locked or unlocked to that key.
Any thoughts, ideas or pearls of wisdom will be received with gratitude, and thanks. And a Merry Xmas to all.
 
Perhaps it is because I did not explain things very well, or that the rarity of the 607 leads to an unusual silence for Peugeot troubles. Have seen a bit on English site/s and it is evident that if the red light in that centre console key icon switch is flashing every second then the alarm has been activated. The every second flash is what I have till the key is inserted into the key hole and turned 2 stages to ignition when the flashing gets faster. This leads me to assume that somehow I have accidentally activated the alarm which is then interfering with the ignition and the starting of the engine. In order to restore ignition I'm guessing that Mr Peugeot has made it so that a certain sequence needs to be followed to reset the alarm to inactive.
Whether the fact that the windows can not be operated is related or not I have no idea, but they worked fine before I took to it with a soldering iron and 5 short bits of wire.
Thanks for taking the time to get this far. Merry Xmas and a Super Solstice to all.
 
Im guessing neither key with remote buttons will lock and unlock the doors?

Try re syncing the keys. Remote key in the ignition onto 1st click/location and hold the lock button down for 10seconds.
Or it might be the unlock button.
Now take keys out close door and see if you can lock and unlock the doors.

Key should be ready to start the car.

Also check you haven't blown a fuse on the the BSI internal fuse box.

A 307 I was working on had the red key showing when I couldn't read the keys. Reg key disappeared when car was started.
 
Thanks for all the assistance to date. Progress has been made thanks to an English Peugeot Forum in which a mechanic was chasing a won't go issue very similar to mine. From those writings it was learnt that if you've turned the ignition key on and off then open the drivers door the beeping to let you know the key hasn't been removed means that the key transponder recognition system is working well. Mine beeps at me. So most likely scenario has to be that 1 of the bits I removed to effect the repair has to be at fault. They haven't been removed for further investigation yet, but will be tomorrow because by researching the make and model on Google it is found that 1 of them is a 15 pin fuel management relay. Am thinking the odds are good.!
A great New Year to all and as the first year of The Age Of Aquarius 2012der should see Planet Earth starting to move in the right direction.
 
i remember a song about the dawning of the age of Aquarius ,that was a long time ago ,so were finally here ,great news about your problem ,hang in there ,pugs
 
The Briton mdl 240109 12V 15 pin fuel management relay is out and tested to ascertain that both relay coils are alive and will function. There is no sign of any issue nor any hint of burnt electrical type odours. The other relay which was removed to enable access for repairing the eaten wires is a Valeo which is in the wiring loom for the purpose of powering up the glow plugs, of which there are none on this V6 XFX petrol engine. So there's a handy saving if I need a 12V relay designed to handle about 50 amps, and the chewed wiring is what is used to control the Valeo and therefore there was no need whatsoever to effect a repair in the 1st place..
In view of the cranking ability of the starting battery, the condition of the fuel relay and the likelihood that the key is being recognised then it should start provided that it is getting fuel from the fuel pump. Perhaps a spray or 2 of fuel downstream of the air filter should be enough to test that there is spark and if there is proof then the issue is either fuel pump or no proper signal to the fuel relay. In which case there may be a correct sequence of activities to reset/re-sync the keys and/or BSI, as suggested by dimistyle, to get the system to work as Peugeot intended. At present both keys will lock and unlock doors, but no matter what is tried there is no ability to move the windows.

Thanks and Happy New Year - cheeeers.
 
No result yet, but must be getting closer now that the fuel management relay tests as OK and the fuel pump works when hot wired. Regardless of what position the key is there is no power to the fuel pump, and it is noticed that the power wires to the pump are larger than any on the fuel management relay so it must follow that between the management relay and the pump there is something else (like a relay or immobiliser) preventing a functioning pump. After re-reading dimistyle's input the keys were checked and both had proper remote lock and unlock function and were recognised by the electronics because they brought on beeping by the car when drivers door was opened with the key still in the ignition. With nothing else more concrete the suggested key to car synchronisation was tried using both lock and unlock buttons but still no power to the fuel pump. Will get a spare connector and hot wire the pump tomorrow if nothing that makes more sense is not discovered.

Many thanks for all the thinking.
 
was wondering what happened to you, keep up the good work .pugs are the windows working now
 
From a competent English 406 HDi owning local mechanic I have now learnt about the Peugeot recommended BSI re-boot procedure, and from that start it is found that by googling several examples are available in plain English. Apparently by following the procedure the car should come back to life unless it be that my improper disconnections and reconnections of the battery/ies has caused the BSI to spike and corrupt itself. Time will tell, but first I have to overcome the issue of lowering the driver's window; as has been pointed out by dimistyle. The reason for having a lowered driver's window is so that one can insert the key into the ignition, without waking the BSI by opening the door, at the appropriate part of the re-boot process.
Am unable to make use of taping the door switch as if the door is closed to fool the BSI because there is no readily visible switch. So the only option is to remove the window switches and hot wire the motor wiring in order to determine if the BSI is healthy or cooked. Maybe there are other options that some one knows of out there in PSA land. Cheers and have a great Australia Day, which is often forgotten as being the date in 1949 when we ceased being British and became Australian citizens with our own passports.
 
kelpiebat said:
From a competent English 406 HDi owning local mechanic I have now learnt about the Peugeot recommended BSI re-boot procedure, and from that start it is found that by googling several examples are available in plain English. Apparently by following the procedure the car should come back to life unless it be that my improper disconnections and reconnections of the battery/ies has caused the BSI to spike and corrupt itself. Time will tell, but first I have to overcome the issue of lowering the driver's window; as has been pointed out by dimistyle. The reason for having a lowered driver's window is so that one can insert the key into the ignition, without waking the BSI by opening the door, at the appropriate part of the re-boot process.
Am unable to make use of taping the door switch as if the door is closed to fool the BSI because there is no readily visible switch. So the only option is to remove the window switches and hot wire the motor wiring in order to determine if the BSI is healthy or cooked. Maybe there are other options that some one knows of out there in PSA land. Cheers and have a great Australia Day, which is often forgotten as being the date in 1949 when we ceased being British and became Australian citizens with our own passports.
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This is just a thought, and a long shot. What if you have the door open and get a screw driver and then use the screw driver like it is the door lock striker and push the screw driver into the door lock where the striker would go. You will probably here a click as well like when you shut the door normally.

Probably the reason why you can't find any courtesy light switches is because they are in the door lock mechanism like they are in my Renault Laguna.

This is just my :2cents: worth.
 
A screwdriver in the latch should work as a door closed option. But have yet to see a BSI reset fix any issues....post progress
 
After removing the driver's door card access to the window winder motor connector enabled the ability to use another connector and power source to wind the window down. But before getting to do that the English lad showed up with his 'Launch' brand diagnostic tool and after a bit of a scan and some Peug magic (this lad knows his stuff) he had the fuel pump working the way it should but still no fire even with a tad of 'Aerostart'. Due to the fact that he was unable to erase any codes he reasoned that the BSI was not getting any power due to a blown fuse and sure enough there in the engine bay fuse box was a lousy 7.5 Amp fuse needing replacement, and with that done the engine is fine now.
His current 'pub car' is a 406 HDi auto (AL4) that has received a little engine attention and now consistently consumes 4lt per 100k. A well used manual 406 HDi I drove from Sydney to here but could no longer start to use for getting firewood and other farm chores - now that I know the new/reconnect battery rule I'm sure it was a fault of mine that had upset it. Anyway we put in a good Exide battery and within moments he had it purring by using the correct procedure of turning on the parking lights as 1st step in awakening the BSI. He then tuned the driver's window to make everything happy.
Over a cup of tea it was learnt he'd been in Oz for 18 yrs and had begun working on Peugs at age 15 in UK where he'd done an apprenticeship and later worked in a diesel specialist repair shop. In his view Peugs are mostly good cars with a market leading immobiliser that thieves can not break unlike most other car manufacturers. Thanks very much to all who have given time and attention to doing their best to solve what was causing me so much grief. Cheers and all the best.
 
Sorry, I forgot to advise that the high amperage Vella relay which the various searches had led me to believe was for 'glow plugs' and probably usually is, is in this car being used as a relay that puts the 2 batteries into parallel for the purpose of charging the lesser one when needed.
 
SO WHO IS THIS ENGLISH LAD IN COFFS HARBOUR
 
i have a son lives there looking for a good mechanic
 
will do, great to hear you have a result
 
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