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Love the advertising spin! That man has a great future selling plastic crap on TV. The body looks like it might be worth its $4950, most of the visible damage could be reversed. Car has a proper convertible type modified grille for driving lamps. I'd like to know whose dealer plate. Mechanicals could be anything at all. Who could resist a 1948 slopeback? Can't wait for someone to buy it and come on this forum. Promise I won't say a thing. Is there a sucker alert system on ebay?
I note your joy and the sarcastic exchanges drawn out with from others over the advertised 203 you lamponed! As a fool I found another fool and I purchased it after waiting 45 years to get another 203.Your encourgment and supportive behaviour makes you such a shining light for new Peugeot owners. It should see this forum boom with new members lining up to enjoy the comradary and your backslapping Peugeot luv in. This one will be retored to showroom standard and will be probaly enjoying the open road long after you hang up your keys or are buried or both. Promise I wont say anthing to you. Well here I am the person you couldn't wait for - feeling big and clever are we?
 

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On the contrary; sincere congratulations and - speaking for all - welcome.
You would find us very happy to help, if you could use it.
We know this car from it’s recent history ( a few more … intimately ) it was only that most recent marketing hyperbole that was being mocked. I suggest taking that personally is counter-productive.
If you read numerous threads here good things have always been said about the car.
And it is nice to hear your passion, friend …
 
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Thank you, I hope I can access the pool of knowledge available here. There are good things said but a fool to buy from a fool was not pleasant at all. A market is all about what someone is prepared to pay for something - not what something is worth. Or what others may think of the price and condition. A Grange is not worth $1000+ a bottle for example but it sells out every year. I wanted the car and have always loved and driven Pugs including a 203 in the 70's and 80's, it being my only car in both Ballarat and Melbourne and drove it everywhere. Constantly being asked what it was and getting the great Peugeot head light flash that we always returned. This one still needs a lot of work, initially a road worthy, full mechanical diagnosis, rego, club membership, plates etc. For example it has no seat belts, side mirrors and a noisy clutch and on and on. I was told it had been in storage (not for how long) and should be serviced and checked over. Then eventually the cosmetics of a back to metal full paint job and fitting out with repaired seats and the interior. Not to mention - surprise the sunroof leaks! This car will go to my daughter, I hope she will see it reach 100 and lifts a glass of fine pinot and think fondly again of her old man. If she sells it earlier which will be her choice – I hope she finds another fool to buy it and it was a good investment for her financial benefit. I am not a mechanic, I am an artist, love good design and form (which the 203 has in spades) and I am a stubborn, dogged perfectionist so look out – you experts might all hear a lot more from me yet. Cheers all, Beaver.
 

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Point taken. Amends are in order - thanks for the opportunity.
You need to check out all posts here from Bob Nelson ( who built it ) “ bob.nelson2 “ also Deane Clark “ DeeCee “ his glamorous assistant, “ Jarrett “ who joined late last year while he had it ( round Sunshine Coast ) and more I’ll think of.
NB. there are more original 2-ohs, not many older though ...
 
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I note your joy and the sarcastic exchanges drawn out with from others over the advertised 203 you lamponed! As a fool I found another fool and I purchased it after waiting 45 years to get another 203.Your encourgment and supportive behaviour makes you such a shining light for new Peugeot owners. It should see this forum boom with new members lining up to enjoy the comradary and your backslapping Peugeot luv in. This one will be retored to showroom standard and will be probaly enjoying the open road long after you hang up your keys or are buried or both. Promise I wont say anthing to you. Well here I am the person you couldn't wait for - feeling big and clever are we?
So you bought from a con artist seller who misadvertised the car? Can't wait until I see your 1948 slopeback with indeterminate mechanicals being touted around the place. If the body is sound well and good and I'm sure you can restore it and what you pay is entirely up to you but frankly I don't give a damn about your hurt feelings. Car buyers always confirm that old saying of J.T. Barnum's that more than one dealer in Peugeots lived by.
 

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Hopefully a few people on here who have indicated specific knowledge and background of the car can help solve the indeterminate mechanical issue?
 

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You win life, is just too short to cop bile and shit is it not. I am at a complete disadvantage given your indeterminate knowledge of all things 203. Fancy being flamed on an old pug site, I stand corrected and respectfully depart now gracefully. P.s. I would have been disappointed if you did care.
 

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Definitely a curates egg. Good in parts. But if the car came originally from Bob Nelson the mechanics will be well done. From the photos the body looks good. Not the first Peugeot to end up in the hands of a speculative seller.
This is a thread started by Russell, who wrote the book 'Peugeot and Australia' - and gave me my signature.
Russell forgets what he said to me when " pinnaroo " was made to feel unwelcome here in 2017 ...
 
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Frankly I don't have time or interest to be bothered straightening the deck chairs on the Titanic.
 

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' ... another old guy has walked right into it and been given the works ..."
 

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Well didn't that take a big turn
The car itself is one that needed to be picked up by someone to set it right
Instead someone picked it up that didn't know a thing about pugs or 203's for that matter to which many noticed
If you had bought that car before the auctioneers did you would have saved a lot of money
That car sold only weeks before they put it up for auction for under $5k
I'm glad that it will be put back to it's original condition to which this is what it deserves to be
Coming into here with that user name and attacking people thinking they personally attacked you though is wrong on every level !!!
I'll await your apology accordingly to those you attacked
 

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There are reasons why serious automotive historians and writers are wary of participating in online forums. This guy comes on full of shit and aggression towards me and misquoting me and I should be nice? Our aggrieved poster should first learn to carefully read what is written. Nobody lampooned the car, only the sharp seller and the ridiculous spiel that was so bad it was funny. I've seen some sharp selling of Peugeots over the years but that was a winner. I don't know what the car was sold for but at the asking money restored 203's with roadworthy and registration change hands. No, I stand by my comments.
 

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I am more than happy to apologise if I have offended any one with my comments on this site and do so unreservedly. I do hope it is also noted that in attacking, correcting or exposing the seller (deservedly it would appear) it is also very difficult as a buyer to not be drawn into the same widely caste net. I was not privacy to any of the "warnings" as I was not even on this forum prior to buying the car. So therefor I did seem to have done some $ and probably got ripped off. I pay the price and certainly one I could not afford yes "roll up roll up" as pointed out - one born every minute, another fool. I would be most interested in knowing all the incorrect statements (lies) on the auction notes. If I can be provided with some details, I will pursue the matter with EBay and if need be legally at this end. I can fully understand why serious automotive historians and writers might shy away from online forums. Being taken to task and challenged is never easy ground to walk on. It is perhaps a very similar hesitancy to how “newbies” who know nothing about cars, can feel, being intimidated and completely out gunned by people on a forum who know each other well and with great shared knowledge and experiences and in this case a passion for 203's. There should be a middle ground or clear announcement or mercy for humble fools who have walked into a Barnum experience surely? The invisible hierarchy, norms and pecking order on such forums is totally invisible from the outside and I do not know any of you from a "bar of soap", whether a historian, author, or a 40- year career as a senior educator or now a humble artist.
The message is we all love Peugeots, looking at them, driving them, talking about them, and owning them.

Again, my heart felt apologies to all and in particular you Mr Hall.

Kindest Regards
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When I don't have this site to post on I'll amuse myself by writing a book on the 203 and 403, of about the same size as the last book. It will take at least a year to research and write as enthusiasm waxes and wanes and six months to negotiate the publishing. One only edition of 100 signed copies, probably sold through Automoto. There is a multiplier effect for small print run books that makes them more expensive than we would like.
A small print run self published work has problems. A specialized work has a limited market. Large publishers and bookstores can't be bothered. If I broadened the topic to say continental cars in Australia it would increase the market but I won't. But without a publicist it's hard to let people know the book is out there or which bookstores would handle them. With small runs there are really only enough for two specialist bookstores. I used to always go the Technical Book and Magazine Company and head straight to "P". I wrote the book I always wished I found there. But to get my book on their shelves is so difficult it's absent.
Ewan Kennedy had an easy run of it with his book on Peugeot. Marque Publications pushed the idea of marque histories to a number of importers and produced some nice little books. Their book on Holden was quite good. Greg Dommerson got behind the idea and thousands of Kennedy's book on Peugeot were produced. They were even giving them away. Of course nobody knew anything about the early period in Australia and he relied on Gordon Miller for info which was at that time scant. I sent a copy of my book to the current importer's MD and it was ignored. Which is modern corporate culture.
So in say two years time check the Automoto bookshop and you may find a new book. It'll keep me off the streets and other sites.
 

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I am more than happy to apologise if I have offended any one with my comments on this site and do so unreservedly. I do hope it is also noted that in attacking, correcting or exposing the seller (deservedly it would appear) it is also very difficult as a buyer to not be drawn into the same widely caste net. I was not privacy to any of the "warnings" as I was not even on this forum prior to buying the car. So therefor I did seem to have done some $ and probably got ripped off. I pay the price and certainly one I could not afford yes "roll up roll up" as pointed out - one born every minute, another fool. I would be most interested in knowing all the incorrect statements (lies) on the auction notes. If I can be provided with some details, I will pursue the matter with EBay and if need be legally at this end. I can fully understand why serious automotive historians and writers might shy away from online forums. Being taken to task and challenged is never easy ground to walk on. It is perhaps a very similar hesitancy to how “newbies” who know nothing about cars, can feel, being intimidated and completely out gunned by people on a forum who know each other well and with great shared knowledge and experiences and in this case a passion for 203's. There should be a middle ground or clear announcement or mercy for humble fools who have walked into a Barnum experience surely? The invisible hierarchy, norms and pecking order on such forums is totally invisible from the outside and I do not know any of you from a "bar of soap", whether a historian, author, or a 40- year career as a senior educator or now a humble artist.
The message is we all love Peugeots, looking at them, driving them, talking about them, and owning them.

Again, my heart felt apologies to all and in particular you Mr Hall.

Kindest Regards
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Thank you, most welcome and people on this site will give you lots of support.
For the record the prior discussion of the car.
https://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/index.php?threads/203-project.141632/
 
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