12 Gordini Lower Control Arms? (now FWD vs the world)

Nothing different to run of the mill R12/15/17 arms, bowie. They are the more solid version (fully boxed) but in Europe I don't think there was any other version.
 
Ah! Mystery solved. Thanks Schlitz!

Was it only mecaparts that had a custom longer arm then?
 
The control arms look like CLIO II ones actually. Would need to measure
 
Do you have access to one?

I had that thought a few moons ago, they look similar

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Renault OE Front Wishbones - Renault Clio 2 RS172 / RS182

Renault have discontinued the OSF wishbone but we have stock of the Renault near side wishbone. We also now sell genuine Renault PH1 wishbones which have been converted to the Ph2 extra caster. These are sold as a set (Two wishbones)
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and with how the ball joint it arranged, looks like it would be easy to adjust.
 
schlitzaugen said:
Never seen that on Mecaparts, but I wasn't looking either. People around here resort to other ways of achieving some negative camber, I think it has been covered.
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Indeed it has! the confusion was caused just now by another claiming the Gordini had a longer arm..

/ The end! :D

apart from the clio 2 lower arm, someone measure there's :D
 
Nah, the 12G was just a 12 with a different engine and g'box and stiffer sway bars. Didn't cure the understeering though and never got to the performance of the 8G so in terms of competitive cred it was a step back for La Regie. Truth be told, it's difficult to beat a RWD car with FWD. Can't think of one FWD car that has dominated the circuit even though off road, under certain circumstances some cars were successful but I don't think FWD in itself was the reason. Fulvia comes to mind but I think it was its lightness and balance that did it not the layout.
 
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They only use the word Gordini so the price goes up but they are just standard arms.
Like R8 tail lights are advertised as Gordini/A110 and R17 tail lights advertised as A310

A trick I learnt years ago when Morris 1100 tail lights were sold as MGB.
 
schlitzaugen said:
Nah, the 12G was just a 12 with a different engine and g'box and stiffer sway bars. Didn't cure the understeering though and never got to the performance of the 8G so in terms of competitive cred it was a step back for La Regie. Truth be told, it's difficult to beat a RWD car with FWD. Can't think of one FWD car that has dominated the circuit even though off road, under certain circumstances some cars were successful but I don't think FWD in itself was the reason. Fulvia comes to mind but I think it was it's lightness and balance that did it not the layout.
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Didn't the MINI have a little bit of success ?
 
Honda Civic owners would also like a word with you :p
 
That is one of the modern examples, and you can add the various sporty Meganes, Clios and whatnot. But again, it is not FWD that makes it. In fact none of these cars have a stellar carrier outside special classes and none of these classes include off road. Compare that with the RWD cars that have excelled on and off road at the same time.
 
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schlitzaugen said:
That is one of the modern examples, and you can add the various sporty Meganes, Clios and whatnot. But again, it is not FWD that makes it. In fact none of these cars have a stellar carrier outside special classes and none of these classes include off road. Compare that with the RWD cars that have excelled on and off road at the same time.
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I think you need to look at the British Touring Car Championship where there is a mix of FWD, RWD & 4WD
 
But the FIA 2 liter world rally cup did. And the winners (whilst it was running)

93 - GM - Escort RS2000
94 - Skoda - Vavorit
95 - Peugeot - 306 Maxi
96 - Seat - Ibiza
97 - Seat - Ibiza
98 - Seat - Ibiza
99 - Renault - Maxi Megane

FWD Whoooo :D
 
schlitzaugen said:
Nah, the 12G was just a 12 with a different engine and g'box and stiffer sway bars. Didn't cure the understeering though and never got to the performance of the 8G so in terms of competitive cred it was a step back for La Regie. Truth be told, it's difficult to beat a RWD car with FWD. Can't think of one FWD car that has dominated the circuit even though off road, under certain circumstances some cars were successful but I don't think FWD in itself was the reason. Fulvia comes to mind but I think it was its lightness and balance that did it not the layout.
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FWD rally cars are quicker than RWD ones, the 2wd class in the Australian Rally Championship proved that.
 
COL said:
but it still gives you the pros and cons of all three transmission platforms.
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True, but in a specific environment. 4WD has definitely proved it's better on and off road, so the only question left is what to make of FWD? Is it just a better platform for convenience of manufacturing?
 
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