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    Default What defines a car make/brand as 'French'?

    Just wondering of the common understanding of Aussie Frogs forum members.
    Is it the origin of the manufacturer, the ownership, the manufacturing location?

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    My question comes about as at home we have a couple of Renaults, a couple of Smarts and a Landrover.
    Now the LR is made in the UK by a Indian owned company, so is certainly not French.
    But what about the Smarts?
    Founded by the Swiss, funded by Germans (now owned 100% by MB), manufactured in France in a factory opened by Jacques Chirac.
    So are they Swiss, German or French?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenH View Post
    Just wondering of the common understanding of Aussie Frogs forum members.
    Is it the origin of the manufacturer, the ownership, the manufacturing location?

    My question comes about as at home we have a couple of Renaults, a couple of Smarts and a Landrover.
    Now the LR is made in the UK by a Indian owned company, so is certainly not French.
    But what about the Smarts?
    Founded by the Swiss, funded by Germans (now owned 100% by MB), manufactured in France in a factory opened by Jacques Chirac.
    So are they Swiss, German or French?
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    I think what is left of a car in a globalised economy is its spirit. That may sound fuddy-daddy, but I can't think of anything else. Not much at that though as products have to appeal to world markets. Perhaps design is the most important component of whatever "spirit" means.

    For me it's a lot easier as all the french cars I own (or owned) were designed and made by the French (or others under licence and with a large content of french parts). But again that is not what I see as crucial. Design, the thinking behind the car is french.
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    My thoughts would be the company that designed the car.
    Its their design philosophy that the car is true to.
    Construction may be in another location but is overseen by the parent company.
    There is the example of a factory in Spain that made the 205 si's.
    One model of the Holden Barina was also sourced from Spain. (don't know what company designed it).
    Could have been the same factory that made the 205s for all I know.
    205 and Barina brothers? shudder at the thought even though that particular model of Barina was held in high regard.
    The current batch of compact holdens (Cruise?) are Korean cars as far as I'm concerned.
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    Being french is defined by the systems. If most of them work by vaccum and vaccum actuators, then it is french.


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    It's a simple formula:-

    French = quirky!
    German = quality and/or prestige
    Italian = cute or quick
    Japanese = boring, but reliable
    Korean = ugly, but reliable
    USA = powweeerrrrrr
    China = cheap and nasty (for now)
    British = the trait from the new owners nationality

    If it's not 'quirky' it's not French, just ask any motoring journo!
    But, of coarse there are exceptions to every rule!
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    I know my Citroens are French. It has a French name that is invariably mispronounced.

    A 2CV could ONLY be designed in France, no other country would have the gall (de Gaulle) to come up with such a hideous vehicle, never mind being proud of their achievement.

    Had the 2CV been designed in Poland, for example, the Poles would say it was because they were occupied by both Germany and Russia during WW2, and hadn't recovered sufficiently to produce a proper car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renomad View Post
    It's a simple formula:-

    French = quirky!
    German = quality and/or prestige
    Italian = cute or quick
    Japanese = boring, but reliable
    Korean = ugly, but reliable
    USA = powweeerrrrrr
    China = cheap and nasty (for now)
    British = the trait from the new owners nationality

    If it's not 'quirky' it's not French, just ask any motoring journo!
    But, of coarse there are exceptions to every rule!

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    Dodgy electrics.

    It can't be French if after 6 mths all the electrics work as they should...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exfrogger View Post
    Dodgy electrics.

    It can't be French if after 6 mths all the electrics work as they should...

    True, but that doesn't rule out the possibility it's italian.
    ACHTUNG ALLES LOOKENPEEPERS

    Das computermachine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitssparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken bei das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets-relaxen und watch das blinkenlights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exfrogger View Post
    Dodgy electrics.

    It can't be French if after 6 mths all the electrics work as they should...
    And lets not forget plastic that disintegrates as soon as you look at it.

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    The brand image.
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    If it rides nicely on Belgian pave, it's truly French!
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    So far my French car ownership experience has been defined by odd sized spanners, bastard Torx screws, blank looks at parts stores, ridicule from workmates, significant cash loss and the sound plastic makes when it cracks/snaps/explodes in your hands.

    Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    True, but that doesn't rule out the possibility it's italian.
    Beg to differ Shiltzie. If a car is truly Italian there's usually something on the fritz from the get go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exfrogger View Post
    Beg to differ Shiltzie. If a car is truly Italian there's usually something on the fritz from the get go...
    True, that.

    Mind you a true italian car would probably spend its entire warranty period parked at the dealer in the service department, at which point it would need serious rust repairs.
    ACHTUNG ALLES LOOKENPEEPERS

    Das computermachine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitssparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken bei das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets-relaxen und watch das blinkenlights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    True, that.

    Mind you a true italian car would probably spend its entire warranty period parked at the dealer in the service department, at which point it would need serious rust repairs.

    Aghh, so you mean something like Fix It Again Tony

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    Saw a report about Citroen in the Fairfax media today that had "Quirky" twice in about five lines.
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    What defines a car make brand as frenchh..

    Flimsy, rattly, noisy, un-reliable, quirky, heavy deprication, fix one thing another 2 things pop up to be fixed need I go on....!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gezza View Post
    What defines a car make brand as frenchh..

    Flimsy, rattly, noisy, un-reliable, quirky, heavy deprication, fix one thing another 2 things pop up to be fixed need I go on....!!
    Perhaps you need to buy one made in the last decade? Our last three Renaults have behaved impeccably, I can't speak for those other, less reliable and more quirky French brands.......
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    Looks great, looks like no other car. seduces you until you buy it and breaks down on the way home.......cannot be fixed for three weeks and then breaks down on the way home......cannot be fixed for six weeks and then.......................
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkev414 View Post
    Looks great, looks like no other car. seduces you until you buy it and breaks down on the way home.......cannot be fixed for three weeks and then breaks down on the way home......cannot be fixed for six weeks and then.......................
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    Of course the Smart is French - in fact I believe it's the only French car sold in North America, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2353 View Post
    Saw a report about Citroen in the Fairfax media today that had "Quirky" twice in about five lines.
    See... I don't want to say 'I told you so', but...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    The brand image.
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