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    G'day anybody out there no is you can put an xu10j4 baffled sump on an xu9j4?
    They look very similar and appear to be the same size but having not yet taken off the sump on my series one I'm not sure! I dont want to take it off unless I can be sure it will fit!
    I dont like having the red lights go on when going round a corner to fast!

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    I just did a trial fit & it appears that the XU10 one will fit, although I didn't have #1 bearing cap on or the timing cover at hand so couldn't check if those holes lined up.

    You'll still need to use the XU9 spacer though as the XU10 block is 15mm taller.

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    Yes, they're 100% compatible. However, the Mi16 sump + 15mm spacer = XU10 sump height. The spacer plate is there for XU9 block rigidity. So strictly speaking, you should use an XU10 sump + 15mm spacer plate. But then you'll need the oil pickup 15mm lower. See my website for ideas. Jeff also has a solution.

    Then keep in mind if you push the sump 15mm away you're also pushing the A/C compressor away, so you'll need a longer belt.

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    I fell into the trap of referencing from a early 205 (deeper) sump. The oil pick up will be 15mm above its proper position but you can add an extension welded to the strainer body, or get Peter's off the shelf mod.
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    So what would be the best idea, Having a baffle welded in the xu9 sump or messing about with the oil pick up?

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    If you are getting the oil lights to come on in a road car, i think you may have other issues that should be investigated.
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    Nah its an oil surge problem, it seems common in series one's.

    It's not 100% standard it has stiffened and lowered front suspension with grippy tyres and gets driven very hard sometimes!
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    Yes, more common in Series ones with worn components.

    Bigger tolerances = lower oil pressure.

    If you have the standard lights coming on the bearings will be close to stuffed. The standard light comes on when there is no oil pressure and the standard gauge does not react fast enough.

    If you change the sump, change the rod bearins
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    Quote Originally Posted by cav91 View Post

    PeterT what your website?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Wuillemi View Post
    Yes, more common in Series ones with worn components.

    Bigger tolerances = lower oil pressure.

    If you have the standard lights coming on the bearings will be close to stuffed. The standard light comes on when there is no oil pressure and the standard gauge does not react fast enough.

    If you change the sump, change the rod bearins
    Yeah sounds worth wild doing while the sumps off, they seem to be getting easier to do now with my practice on the series two (Its a love hate relationship)! The series one's done about 240,000 km so probably is an issue!
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    G'day again, sorry to keep this thread alive!

    I've just ripped the sump off a 306 xt 1.8 single cam (xu7 i think) and the sump looks very similar and is baffled, just wondering if anyone knows if this is an option?
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    A guide I put up using some of Peter's info

    I'm not going to go into massive detail as it is all pretty simple, more information is available on Peter's webite below. If you need anything explained more clearly or would like any other info, don't hesistate to PM me. I'm always happy to help.
    Guys in the UK are probably better off ordering everything as parts and having the work done locally. I just had Peter do mine as shipping to Aus from NZ isn't too bad.
    This is my list of recommended mods.
    Everything listed below (bar the sumps) is supplied by PeterT
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    1: XU9 Alloy sump from 8v A/C equipped DFZ engine, with after-market baffle or Alloy XU10 sump (pre-baffled).
    The after market baffle is taller and will probably work better under very hard cornering, however the pre-baffled sump is still good and will reduce the cost.
    With the spacer from the XU9 motor the sump capacity will be increased to 6.5L (Remember to keep the standard bolts as you will need them. the bolts from the XU10 sump won't fit as they are too short)

    Also ensure you get the pump baffle. This bolts onto the oil pump.
    Make sure you let Peter know which sump you are using as the pump baffle comes in three shapes.

    2: Extended oil pickup. PeterT provides an aluminium extension ring that brings the oil pickup deeper into the new sump, this will help prevent the pickup being uncovered.

    3: XU10 relief spring and pump sprocket/chain. This will increase oil pressure to 6 bar and the sprocket/chain swap will provide extra flow.
    The peugeot part numbers for these are
    Chain - 103310
    Sprocket - 0513.54
    Spring - 1157.11
    4:Windage tray. This can be fitted to the XU9 sump spacer and reduces windage (drag on the crank), the higher the RPM the bigger the gain :-) as well as reducing frothing of the oil = better oil pressure
    Windage Tray - 1047.17

    Peter can supply everything as parts or perform all the work for you. You will have to send your bits to Aus (No big deal, that's what I did)
    There are other goodies on his website.
    http://www.taylor-eng.com/

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