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    Quote Originally Posted by JoBo View Post
    Shane is.
    Although 15 stumps to remove may prove otherwise. And Shane is not exactly time "rich".

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    Another method, there are some variations on the theme on youtube and the kids can do their marsh mellows at the same time



    some suggest drilling holes and soaking in vegetable oil or something similar and then add coal and let them burn
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    That would require a permit in NSW, and I suspect in Victoria too. Unlikely to be issued these days without a long list of conditions.

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    Thanks Guys,

    I still have the last 3 pine trees too fell and chop up yet... well, that is I need to get the last 3 felled.... There's not a snowmans chance in hell I'm doing it. there trunks are curved and I have no idea which way they will want to fall. The guy I had drop the other 8 trees around the carport just used the hyabb on his truck to tie off to the top of the trees and pull them the direction to be felled with the truck. He also removed the branches from the otherwise to make them heavier the way they were to come down. He said he couldn't tell by looking at them how they would fall either.

    The pine stumps would be upto 1metre across. Being pine they should be easy on a grinder. When I get the guy out to fell the last three I might ask him how much he would charge to grind the stumps (I imagine ~ $100 per stump). which suddenly becomes quite a lot of money.

    I have an asthmatic in the house, so I'm not burning 15 stumps and having them smoldering for weeks on end. ( that would be the easiest way though). if there was only a few stumps. Burning them is an obvious answer

    I could possibly just leave them. They are a PITA to cut grass around ... and they will be within a couple of meters of a house extension (if we manage to get the house extended this year). I'm not sure how they would effect the house foundations if left in place.



    This is the sort of size the trees were. There was 11 of the damn things around the carport ( Gees I HATE pine trees ).



    See what I mean by cutting the grass around them all. That carport will be coming down in the next few months to make way for a house extension that will end up within a couple of meters of it.



    Some of them are quite big stumps. I've cut them as close to the ground as I can with a chainsaw.



    Oh, before you say "PTO stump grinder". I already thought of that ... they don't really seem to exist. And I'd need to setup remotes to drive the swing action (to make money and effort involved).

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    I might ask him how much he would charge to grind the stumps (I imagine ~ $100 per stump). which suddenly becomes quite a lot of money.
    The price may suddenly become quite reasonable.

    If you injure yourself whilst doing the project as DIY. Or you do your back in loading, unloading or using stump grinders.

    When getting heavy, laborious, work done, I've always assessed my hourly charge out rate versus what others charge to do the task and supply and maintain their equipment.

    Generally with the risk of injury factored in, I've been ahead.
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    This bloke seems to know which way they fall, maybe

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    I bet he's not insured.

    Stupidity is excluded.

    Sensible tree removers remove the trunk in segments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    I bet he's not insured.

    Stupidity is excluded.

    Sensible tree removers remove the trunk in segments.
    That's not the half of it .... They didn't notch the back so it was hinged when it fell And they were trying to cut back from the front where the notch and hinge should have been. How in the hell did they not kill themselves .... That was 1 in a million that tree falling like that without taking out them or the buildings.

    One of the pines here rolled and came backward as it dropped and nearly took out one of the carport uprights. And that was full on professionals. Watching from the distance it was obvious there was nothing he could do to have stopped it. If he'd taken out an upright you would have to file it under "shit happens".

    I can't believe they just cut that through and didn't notch it

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    We had a 80 ft brittle gum removed from old house. It was about 4m from the house and insufficient yard space to drop it.

    There were a team a dudes in the crew who removed it.

    First step was to remove every horizontal limp and mulch them.

    The vertical trunk was them chopped into 750 mm lengths and dropped to the ground.

    Noone got hurt, nothing got damaged, and the site was left immaculately clean.

    The timber was put on the nature strip.

    Watching the greedy [email protected] busting a foofer loading the timber into unsuitable vehicles was an entertainment in itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    We had a 80 ft brittle gum removed from old house. It was about 4m from the house and insufficient yard space to drop it.

    There were a team a dudes in the crew who removed it.

    First step was to remove every horizontal limp and mulch them.

    The vertical trunk was them chopped into 750 mm lengths and dropped to the ground.

    Noone got hurt, nothing got damaged, and the site was left immaculately clean.

    The timber was put on the nature strip.

    Watching the greedy [email protected] busting a foofer loading the timber into unsuitable vehicles was an entertainment in itself.
    I had 9 trees dropped (as there is 11 around the carport). it was $250 for them to just fell the trees for me. I then spent weeks cuttig them up and cleaning up. To pay someone to remove them as you did to remove 11 trees.... would cost many, many, many thousands (probably upto $1000 a tree).

    Yes, that one in the video should have been dropped a section at a time using a crane!

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    If they had been decent firewood you'd have had a queue wanting to remove them in a spot as populated as Ballarat. Being pine the saltpetre method will do the job nicely, but it takes time for it to promote the rot of the wood. Wikipedia even mentions the method https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_stump

    The cost of demolishing trees in sections by insured climbers is horrendous. Good money though while you are still young and fit.

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    actually ... I think I've found a seller of potasium nitrate in Australia ( I assumed it was illegal ... no doubt it can be used for bomb making .... ).

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    if its pure patasium nitrate the stumps should be rotten in a couple of months right

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    Assuming the white powder is potassium nitrate may be a false assumption.

    I wonder why the seller seems to studiously avoid tell buyer what it is ?

    Is it illegal to sell or ship KNO3 ?

    But or course I don't implicitly trust ebay sellers.

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    If there's an agricultural supplier around there you might find some. The problem is usually package size. It's now on the AFP's security list so you may get questioned but it is legal for the purpose. If you see your local council painting stumps with a yellow substance, that is the stuff.

    Drill deep holes and fill them. Paint some over the top. Wait for the weather and fungi to do their work. Belt @#$% out of what remains with something heavy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post
    This bloke seems to know which way they fall, maybe

    I have seen an old bushman drop 4 large trees so that they look like a giant tic tac toe board (noughts & crosses). The angles are pretty close to 90 deg.
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    If you see your local council painting stumps with a yellow substance, that is the stuff.
    I doubt the Council would use it. It's quite a nasty irritant.

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    It is, Don't you remember your schooldays? My generation blew things up or smoked them out. Mother used it to corn meat from memory.

    The council here has it as a major ingredient in a solution they slop on. It is rare for them to grind a stump in the road verge or park.

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    G'day,

    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    ......The cost of demolishing trees in sections by insured climbers is horrendous. Good money though while you are still young and fit.
    local pro tree climber in Skipton indicated $100/hr for jobs in town - large gum near the house here, he said might take all day to lop, fell and turn into firewood.

    I've seen this guy fell a gigantic cypress between a shed and a house here without any damage - dangling from ropes with bloody saw swinging around.... scary stuff.....

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    ocal pro tree climber in Skipton indicated $100/hr for jobs in town - large gum near the house here, he said might take all day to lop, fell and turn into firewood.
    And $25 or more of the $100 will be insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Assuming the white powder is potassium nitrate may be a false assumption.

    I wonder why the seller seems to studiously avoid tell buyer what it is ?

    Is it illegal to sell or ship KNO3 ?

    But or course I don't implicitly trust ebay sellers.

    kno3 potassium nitrate australia
    I sent them a message. its 99.95% pure potassium nitrate. The issue I have is I've spent over an hour searching the internet and cannot find a single image or video of anyone that has managed to rot a stump with stump remover. It appears they must all give up in the end and get them removed with a grinder or dug out.

    try and find anything ... you'll be surprsied. lots of people have videos and web pages. but none have follow ups showing that it worked!

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    try and find anything ... you'll be surprsied. lots of people have videos and web pages. but none have follow ups showing that it worked!
    Hi Shane,

    No I'm not at all surprised. I'm reassured that a solid core youtubers" are just "show ponies". And create videos for their own self aggrandisement. Effectiveness is a part of their mantra.

    Not unlike some internet forums.
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    Do you think this thread might revert to the original "Tool Talk" and leave it to the arborists to sort themselves out with a thread of their own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest View Post
    Do you think this thread might revert to the original "Tool Talk" and leave it to the arborists to sort themselves out with a thread of their own?
    possibly .... can we talk stump grinders again .... Has anyone tried a cheap one
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    I've built top end stump grinders. Four wheel drive, hydraulic motors on each wheel. Two pumps, one just to run the cutter wheel, and a 100 bhp diesel motor. $64 000 brand new.
    They lead a very hard life and are basically wrecked by the time they get to 1500 hours. Charge rate was $100 per foot diameter of stump. Very quick cutting but it does create a mess.
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    Very quick cutting but it does create a mess.
    A veritable understatement.
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