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    205 improvements?

    Ok the track day has come and gone and I have been hooked.

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    I need to break into the teens at wakefield and and asking what mods would have the greatest effect on times.

    I dont have a huge budget, around 2k to spend.

    I was running 1:20:1s with th only mod being slotted front rotors with greenstuff pads all round. My car is a S2 205 Gti.

    1. Suspension (Dont know where to start here)
    2. Head and cam for more power on the straights.
    3. Slicks
    4. S1 gearbox
    5. Sell my S2 and buy gilly's 205 Mi16?
    90 205 Gti Cherry Red(Track Car)
    2009 207gti
    1985 505gti (Shitbox Rally) Sold

    PBs:

    Oran Park: 1:27:9
    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:47 (16V) 2019
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    Parry.

    Get some good tyres like mine as a starting point. They should give you a second or two for a start. Budget approx $1000.

    Then I'd go for suspension. Get some konis (yellows) and you'll be laughing.

    That should be inside your budget and the difference will be huge.

    Once you start playing with engine mods then you end up chasing your tail when you can only do little bits and pieces. If you did want to go the additional hp route then I'd be getting a decent exhaust and intake setup (your exhaust is already modified???). Then I'd be getting an aftermarket programmable computer before I actually opened the engine to be on the safe side. Some will say mild mods will be fine, but I'd prefer not to risk it when the management on these cars is fairly crude.

    Thats the way I'm going about it anyway.

    Darren

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    There are people running there MI16 engines of the 8v computer using the distributor cap adaptor thingo (technical name), so it is possible for a fairly hefty power upgrade spanner , also I dont know of many people caling the 8v management "crude"

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    i d agree with darren here in regards to tyres and suspension which will then give you a good starting point should u wish to do anything with the engine...at the end of the day the more power you get out of the motor the more justifieable the expense on tyres and suspension gets...one of my mates has a supercharged corolla (which goes like clappers) but all its power would be useless without the konis and the semi race rubber...on the issue of the 205 computer...well yes in a way it can be considered crude but in many ways its the simplicity of the thing that makes it so effective: i believe the guys at THE CASTLEMAINE ROD SHOP supercharged a 205 and kept the stock ecu which coped without problems remebering that both exhaust and inlet manifold can flow up to 200hp without problems...
    if you plan to use the car for the track i d probably look at getting head/cam work and possibly throtles but it really does start getting expensive then....get the tyres and shocks done..that might be enough to keep you happy for a while especially considering the fact that the car with current specs is very driveable and reasonably easy to maintain both fuel and service wise..

    cheers
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    So far so good, engine mods I might leave until the engine needs a rebuild as it performed brialliantly on Tuesday at the track with no oil usage or coolant usage.
    90 205 Gti Cherry Red(Track Car)
    2009 207gti
    1985 505gti (Shitbox Rally) Sold

    PBs:

    Oran Park: 1:27:9
    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:47 (16V) 2019
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    Parry, ill throw my two francs in and recommend:
    *Tyres, don't get AZENIS, im not too thrilled with em. Im going back to Dunlop Formula R's. Like Darren said $1000 mostly will cover.
    *Brakes, im not sure of costs, but a 4-pot caliper (front only) set up would help get even deeper into all turns, remember the one you kept going off at?..
    *lastly, shave weight, remove rear seat, get racing seats, remove carpet and put down cheap floor mats etc. you already removed the spare at the track....
    *one last thing try and do a driving course, you are 1 second from the teens. i improved my time at wakefield from 1:21 highs too 1:20. lows, after doing the Luff course...
    so i dropped 1.5 seconds with no mods done after the course, that would put you doing low 1:19, if you improve as little as i did.
    cheers
    Xq
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    That turn I went off at was because I was watching you in my mirror!!!!

    Tires are definately the go first up, not sure about stripping the interior though as I need the rear seat for the kids.

    Im still thinking of selling my car for Gillys mi16 205. That will get me in the 19s
    90 205 Gti Cherry Red(Track Car)
    2009 207gti
    1985 505gti (Shitbox Rally) Sold

    PBs:

    Oran Park: 1:27:9
    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:47 (16V) 2019
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    <span><span class=ResizableText0>
    Originally</span> posted by parry: <strong> Im still thinking of selling my car for Gillys mi16 205.
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    WELL , if you do decide to sell, HERE IS MY OFFER OF $5000.oo cash, thats all i can afford.
    Xq

    ps, mi-16 in your car???, not with 2k though.
    ... ptui!

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    205 improvements?

    Parry , I'd be happy with just a few improvements. You do have a PUG after all !
    And if you just do one improvement at a time you will be able to track your progress a lot easier. wink (just being a smart ass here mate)

    hehe, you should def take the most consistent laps award when you just kept going round and round and round and.... I'd have to agree that the shocks and race rubber would make a huge difference. Driving course is a must for me and would prob help to drop a sec or so.
    Prob like you I can hardly wait for the next track day. I was thinking of going late next month.

    <small>[ 27 March 2003, 07:01 PM: Message edited by: tekkie ]</small>
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    Given you've got an S2, I'd do the following:

    lower diff - S2 diffs are too long for anything but the highway. I have a spare 3.93 I'm willing to part with.

    lsd - you'll end up breaking the std. diff centre anyway

    tyres - as you can see from Wakefield times, the tyres and driver skill are the equalizers
    (these are consumables though, different budget)

    suspension - larger rear tornsion bars

    brakes - front rotors and pads

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