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    I have recently got a 1970 404. I have been told that late 404s were fitted with the BA 7/4 gearbox. Is this true?
    If so, can the BA7/5 be fitted easily? Will the BA 7/5 work from a column shift, as I want it to look stock?

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    There'sonly realy two issue with fitting the BA7 5 speed:

    -somehow linking up the clutch slave cylinder to the master cylinder (they use different types of hydraulic lines, 404 is plastic, 5 speed is steel)
    -the gear shift

    Usually people cut a hole in the floor for the gearshift, but I think the gearbox levers could be modified to link up to the column shift linkages. This would probably mean moving the gear selection arm to the opposite side of the box and placing it's link ball higher up on the arm. the gate selection arm would also need an attachment to go to reach over the box to the other linkages. It would require some ingenuity, but I think it is possible.

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    Change the input shaft and bellhousing and you overcome the clutch problem...

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    Ray Bell:
    Change the input shaft and bellhousing and you overcome the clutch problem...
    But aren't the gear teeth a little different?
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    Not on the input shaft... not to my knowledge anyway.

    I'll check with Norm.

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    They're the same, Dave...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Change the input shaft and bellhousing and you overcome the clutch problem...
    Is it possible to mount a income shaft of a ba7 into a ba7/5 gearbox?

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    Luc,

    you wont hear back from poor ray he has been booted from here......along with all his knowledge!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug_405_Mi16
    Luc,

    you wont hear back from poor ray he has been booted from here......along with all his knowledge!
    But on Ray Bell profile, it says : Last Activity: 4th October 2005 05:35 PM
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    That's odd!


    His last post was in mid August though. You would think he would be getting involved in this stuff if he was able to ? Maybe he is allowed to view but not post ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luc van Dijck
    Is it possible to mount a income shaft of a ba7 into a ba7/5 gearbox?
    Is your 505 gearbox from a push rod XN motor or an OHC Sti/GTi?
    RHD 505s have a hydraulic clutch so it may just be a matter of using a RHD bellhousing.
    Graham

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    In Holland it is very difficult to get RHD cars. In Holland there are just about 600 505's left. Most rear weel drive Pugs were exported tot Africa before they were brougt to a junkyard. Marokko, Algeria, Egypt, Nigeria and so on.

    But if the shaft of a 504 fits to a 505 gear BA7/5, I think i can solve this problem.
    But i am not shure about the spedometer drive in the gearbox. I do not have a spedometer gear with the BA7/5, but a saw that the gearweel of a BA7 and a BA7/5 are not the same. So I Think i can not use a speedemeter gear of a BA7? Or can i change both nylon weels?
    The BA7/5 was mounted to a 1986 505, but i do not know witch type.

    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS
    Is your 505 gearbox from a push rod XN motor or an OHC Sti/GTi?
    RHD 505s have a hydraulic clutch so it may just be a matter of using a RHD bellhousing.
    Graham

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