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    Diff for 504

    Anyone know were i can get an lsd or torsen dif centre for a 504

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    I think the Quaife people make a 505 diff u could probably use. Do a search on the forum.

    Be prepared to pay some big bucks to get it, and then to get it to Australia, though.

    A cheaper option might be to contact US wrecking yards and try to find a Torsen from a 505 Turbo, but only a few of the 505T models had them (AFAIK) so it might be tough...

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    Hi Al, I presume you know that Peugeot makes a cone type lsd for 504/505. Fits in newer style diffs (from about 1978?). Bits are available from usual pug places and weren't really pricey when I last bought one, a while ago though.

    Some 505s have these lsds but I don't have a relable way of knowing which ones, perhaps someone else does.

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    AFAIK, all 505 GTi's have LSDs.

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    peujohn:
    AFAIK, all 505 GTi's have LSDs.
    I don't think this is true. I've got a series 1 GTi Exec, a while back when I had both rear wheels up in the air, I did a test someone on here mentioned which involved rotating one wheel and checking to see which way the other wheel rotated. Mine rotated opposite to each other, which apparently indicates that I don't have an LSD.

    I wish there was some way of finding out how many (if any) GTis came out here with LSDs.

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    Dave will know.
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    peujohn:
    Dave will know.
    Actually I don't know.

    I don't think the series 1 GTI had an LSD, and maybe not the early Series 2 leaded GTI either (december 1985 compliance).

    I get the impression that only some of the unleaded GTI's had an LSD, but I may be wrong, it could be all the series 2 GTI's, or it may have been just the GTI wagons (I'm pretty sure those had an LSD).

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    peujohn:
    Dave will know.
    Actually I don't know.

    I don't think the series 1 GTI had an LSD, and maybe not the early Series 2 leaded GTI either (december 1985 compliance).

    I get the impression that only some of the unleaded GTI's had an LSD, but I may be wrong, it could be all the series 2 GTI's, or it may have been just the GTI wagons (I'm pretty sure those had an LSD).

    Dave
    FWIW, some years ago now I owned a 1984 505 Executive (leaded petrol) - some here refer to that vehicle as an Executive GTI. It was fitted with a LSD.

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    I looked up an article in Wheels 9/84 on the GTi, driven in Europe. It said that it had an LSD as standard. I'm sure I've been told before that all GTis have LSD.

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    Interestingly, this Euro-spec GTi had a different diff ratio to Oz-spec cars. It had a 3.89 instead of 4.111. The writer said that the ratio seemed about right, altered the gearing in top from 33.2 km/h per 1000 rpm to 35.7 for nicer cruising.

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    Denis:
    FWIW, some years ago now I owned a 1984 505 Executive (leaded petrol) - some here refer to that vehicle as an Executive GTI. It was fitted with a LSD.

    Denis
    Interesting. Also if that was indeed a 1984 built car, then it would be an STI Executive.

    It's possible that the few STI's that were sold here with 3.89:1 diffs had an LSD, whilst the versions with 4.11:1 diffs did not. Who knows?

    As far as I know all European STI's and GTI's had a 3.89:1 diff.

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    I have an '86 505 Gti 2.2litre 5 speed,el. windows all round+el sunroof+air(Exec. model ?).Externally and in dash layout looks like an 85 model. Speedo reads km/hr. 15" alloys.
    It has an LSD, as I wanted one for boat towing at the time. V. good on sandy/slippery ramps. Best tow car I have ever used.
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    davemcbean:
    Denis:
    FWIW, some years ago now I owned a 1984 505 Executive (leaded petrol) - some here refer to that vehicle as an Executive GTI. It was fitted with a LSD.

    Denis
    Interesting. Also if that was indeed a 1984 built car, then it would be an STI Executive.

    It's possible that the few STI's that were sold here with 3.89:1 diffs had an LSD, whilst the versions with 4.11:1 diffs did not. Who knows?

    As far as I know all European STI's and GTI's had a 3.89:1 diff.

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    Just FYI it was a 'stock standard' Peugeot 505 Executive - leather seats, drivers height adjustment, sun roof, front and rear factory 'spoilers', small spoiler on boot lid, 15" factory alloy wheels, two tone silver/grey with deep blue carpets and leather interior, top of the line radio cassette, four speakers, a/c, etc etc 2.2 litre OHC, leaded petrol, electronic injection, auto, LSD. The car was badged 'Executive'.

    I think it was one of a number of fully optioned 505s that were released, as I have seen others that are exactly the same.

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    Well you just described the GTi Executive. The STi Executive has mechanical fuel injection, TRX rims, velour interior and no sunroof.
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    I still havent worked out for sure if i have an LSD or not... It drives like it has one, but like Richard, i had the rear end up once, and the wheels span in opposite directions. But my dirt road driving tells me differently
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    Maybe the suspension is better than you give it credit for?

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    Maybe...
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    Ray Bell:
    Maybe the suspension is better than you give it credit for?
    Yeah a 504/505/604 IRS sedan without an LSD does seem to grip as well as a live rear axle car with one.

    Another point is I've heard of the cone type Pug LSD wearing quickly resulting in no more limited slip action, so that could be what has happened to Jason's car.

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    i went to the local dealer and bought the parts for one of mine quite a few years ago but for the life of me i can't think what the parts were worth (not that it matters today)
    i must admit though with what i had under the bonnet the diff made quite a difference to the way the car cornered
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    The cone lsds do wear a bit but the occasional set of springs sets them up for a while again. I had one in the safari car and it worked well and with new springs is now in a road car and is working Ok despite considerable visible wear on the cone.

    You see what I meant about no "reliable method of knowing what will have a lsd". I thought the Execs had them until we wrecked on recently and found it didn't. You really have to check. I think you will still tell with the one wheel up trick, even if the diff is worn.

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    hi
    i Recenttly purchased a 1987 gti series to sedan damaged
    i placed the 2.2lt motor and 4 speed auto into my 1986 sli wagon as well as having the diff placed into the wagon centre it an Lsd and it makes a huge diffence to the handling of the car
    it is also great for towing the race car in slippery conditions
    the wagon is know lowered 50mm at the rear and 40mm at the front and know handels even better
    i have modified the air intake to a pod filter under the front valance and it now has its new 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust the torque increase is quite noticable and in the wet the lsd really comes into its own

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