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    LSD"s for pugs

    Just been called by a PCCV member who is trying to get interest in a group buy of LSD's for pug 205's and 405's, either the 8v or 16v, possbily even the 306 GTi6.

    They would be locally made and the cost would be about $1500 if we get a few orders.
    If you may be interested please let me know.

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    Hmm, my friend "Dangermouse" will surely be interested - I'll pass it on.

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    Andreas, I have almost definite plans for an LSD for my 205 - after some very frustrating motorsport without one I'm looking at buying in the next couple of months. I've chatted with Quaife re importing one and the cost wasn't much more than $1500 - is it worth making one locally if the price of importing a real Quaife is going to be that similar?

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    LSD Hmm! Normal diff and MIG welder. happy locker

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    How does a 205/405 steer with an MIG diff?

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    Gah
    MIG Diffs in front wheel drives are abortions
    simple as that

    you would
    a) die in the wet
    b) have shocking tyre wear
    c) eat your CV's like they were m&ms

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    Ever driven a FWD car with a mig locked front diff? For the race track it's awesome even in the wet, wouldn't recomend it for the road though. LSD's are good but need re-adjusting the spring tensions from time to time to stay effective. We never broke a driveshaft with a locked diff then again we weren't going around round abouts. We might be interested in buying some if they look right would need to see what type of LSD it is going to be.

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    Mines a rear wheel drive.

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    Sorry, I was being sarcastic.....I'm actually in the market for one. I was considering buying one from the UK. Does anyone know of a local supplier of Quaife LSD's?

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    Iam also interested in a lsd however like others i am concerned by the price espec. when its in the quaiffe range landed. There was a 205 in Syd.
    with quaiffe..its a pity he's not on list with the idea of using it as a mule
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    Good to see you posting Stew.

    I havent heard anything about the LSD's, the guy just contacted me seeing if I was interested.

    Getting the Quaifes here for $1500 should be possible, I think they're only for BE3 box's though???

    As for a distributor for Quaife in Australia, there may be but they are more than happy to export them privately.

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    Silly question.. but what gearbox is in the 405 MI16?

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    I've got a price of 563.00 GBP (inc. freight) from Quaife UK. I guess that works out to be $1500 approx., but I could get slugged for import duty. The 405 has the same gearbox as the 205, and I'm sure the LSD's are interchangeable bewteen early and late versions.

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    Just a thought dudes but what about a group buy for the lsd's..may save a whack!! anybody have contacts?

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    I was looking into it with Quaife a while ago, with 5+ they'd offer me 20% off RRP.

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    Mmmm, interesting this talk of LSD's for 205/405. I have an early '89 405Mi16, which is being preped for tarmac rallying in NZ. I could be interested in participating in a group buy for a wothwhile saving.
    My box is an early design with reverse activated by a collar, and located on far LHS of H gate. Will that transmission take the Quaife LSD.?Perhaps Andreas would comment.
    Incidentally I participated in Targa NZ spectator tour for 4 days last week, from Auckland to Palmerston North, including 3 laps each on Pukekohe, Taupo and Manfield tracks.
    By invitation I then took over a co-driver/navigator's seat in a Pug 106 ClubSport(c/w LSD I believe) for the final 2 days of tarmac rally to Wellington. We finished 3rd of 3 106's in "Team Hick Bros." rally team from Auckland. My driver had had an "off" in Targa Bambina in March '02, with his 14 yr old daughter as codriver, and she was again codriver for 1st 4 days, so he was driving to survive. We did put the pedal to the metal in some particularly tight winding(& wet)stages on Saturday, catching and passing a TR3 and a 59 Ford Thunderbird, which had started 30/60 seconds ahead of us, on one stage.
    The event was brilliant. During my time as a spectator tourist we drove about 80% of the closed stages just ahead of rally cars, with a cop car escort leading and our tour leader second. There were about 30 in our "string", incl. 3 Ferraris(1 Spider),1 EVO 6, 1 Lotus Elise, 1 Jag XK8 Coupe, Mini Cooper Mk 1, Fraser Toyata twin cam powered sports, various BMW models from early M3 to M5 to 635 CSI Coupe, and there were 2 405 Mi16's incl mine. We had a ball including needeing to replace 2 rear tyres when my well worn Conti Eco Contacts completely lost their shoulders to the point of showing the "warning cords". They had had a hard time on the front and been swaped to rear long ago- and i run them at 35psi for targa,hillclimbs,etc. I used my Yoko A032R's for Prologue day around Auckland and on Pukekohe track-they were awesome but since they have done about 2 years service for hillclimbs, the fronts were getting to look more like slicks, so the road tyres had to be used for the long rally.
    The Targa NZ was won by Anton Tallot from Auckland in a'92 RX7 batmobile twin turbo, same car as he won in last year, closely followed by the Aussie VIP Petfoods 99/2000 Porsche 996 Turbo, with Peter Brock 8th overall. he was dealt a cruel blow on day 1 when his pit crew van was caught speeding and ticketed on a touring stage and a (normal) 3 minute penalty was applied to Peter the rally entrant. Brockie drove a very smooth polished rally in a big car not ideal for the narrow winding & some times downright shitty surfaced roads(Tarmac) of back country NZ.
    With the A/ NZ $ exchange rate the Targa spectator tour would not be exp[ensive for Aussies to do. It cost us NZ$750.00 +GST which incl morning teas and lunches but not dinners or accomodation.
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    I'm currently negotiating with Quaife UK. If anyone else wants one, now is the time to speak up. The total cost of one, including import duty (15%), GST (10%) and Aust. Post inpection fee ($48) is $1988 at the current exchange rate. I'll ask how much for 5+.

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    Mi16Freak: What're you having done to your car in terms of rally preparation? Besides the usual stuff like roll-cages, extinguishers etc..

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    Hi Big Chris

    My Mi16 prep. for targa rallying on tarmacis as follows.
    Have fitted adjustable Konis all round, plan to fit Eibach 25mm lowering springs on front and lower rear by rotating splines by 1 spline of torsion bar set-up.
    Have fitted Bradi(Italian) grooved disc rotors,which of course are ventilated. For road use, hillclimbs and bent sprints i am using Pug. O.E. pads all round but will use Mintex intermediate race/rally metallised pads for tarmac rallies.
    I am having the cyl. head polished and ported for more torque in mid range, chip changed to a "Chip Torque" chip to again improve mid range grunt. I would like to uprate my injectors to 306 GTi-6 injectors but will hold for a season because of cost. I have fitted a Simota pod air filter into base of air cleaner box, but want to have built a cold air box to enclose it(the induction roar sounds good but no other benefits to be truthful).
    I have run 195/55 R15 race tyres for hillclimbs, etc but again to improve mid range power & acceleration I am going to 195/50R15 lower profile Dunlop Formula R race tyres(cheaper and more readily available also !!). I am using standard 15x6J Pug. wheels.
    I will be fitting a Terratrip distance/speed computer & will probably need to fit an intercom(same brand), so I can clearly hear my co-driver.
    I would benefit by having more negative camber in front. I can fit Subaru WRX top mounts to strut towers, but I will wait to see/feel how car handles after lowering.
    I want to use my Mi16 seats and have gained MANZ authorisation to do so. Having just done 2 days of Targa NZ in a Pug 106 Clubsport(Rallye) with race seats, my back was sore as hell.
    The 2 kg fire extinguisher is fitted and the roll cage comes soon as i remove back seat(easy) and front passenger seat(hard)& drivers seat, carpet and underfelt.
    I am advised I should fit a fuel header tank in boot and additional fuel pump to stop surge problems, and should have baffles welded into sump to stop oil surge and overfill sump for rallying.
    Any other tips from fellow froggers would be appreciated.
    Cheers

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    PeterT:
    I'm currently negotiating with Quaife UK. If anyone else wants one, now is the time to speak up. The total cost of one, including import duty (15%), GST (10%) and Aust. Post inpection fee ($48) is $1988 at the current exchange rate. I'll ask how much for 5+.
    PeterT, this is what they quoted me:

    1 - 4 off units @ 490.00 GBP less 10% = 441.00 GBP each

    5 + units @ 490.00 GBP less 20% = 392.00 GBP each

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    Mi16freak:

    to improve mid range power & acceleration I am going to 195/50R15 lower profile Dunlop Formula R race tyres
    Not sure how you get on in racing, but on the street, these tyres aren't legal on an Mi16, as the load rating is too low. They need to be 84 minmum, not 82.

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    Peter T

    Re Dunlop peugeot_ Formula R tyres-legal in NZ for tarmac rallying, i am uncertain about road legal status, will have to ask some friends who have them fitted to 205 GTI and 205 Mi16 tarmac rally cars, that also get driven on road to hillclimbs,etc.
    Dunlop NZ will also have an opinion.

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    My Mi16 is early '89, and I think has BE1 gearbox-will be confirmed by Pug NZ parts mgr. next Monday. If it is a BE1 will the Quaife LSD fit my transmission?
    Your feedback would be appreciated. wink

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    The Quaife LSD fits the BE3. Not sure what, if any, mods are required to fit the BE1. My 205 has a BE1 and had a Quaife fitted in a previous life, if that helps.

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    Yeah I might be keen for one for my 205, it's got a BE1 gearbox at the mo but I'm fitting the Mi16 one which is a BE3 (?)

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