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    Reconditioning 205 Gti

    I bought my 205 Gti '90 model at 240,000ks and it
    has done 250 now. It was blowing a little smoke
    so when i did oil change i put in Oil conditioner
    and this seems to have stopped the smoke except if i push her hard.
    I am aware that this car is going to need a full
    reco soon and i was told by auto paris that it
    would die at about 245,000. Has anyone dealt with
    these guys before?
    Since I'm gonna be reconditioning anyway i figure
    I might as well give it a bit more power and try to put it up near the series 3. So my question is
    in two parts...
    1) Who should i take the engine to, Auto Paris and
    Regan Motors both quoted about $2500?

    2)What sort of stuff should i do at the same time?
    I probably would only want to spen an extra
    grand.

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    Just something to add on. Some people reckon that auto Paris over charge.

    I got both front shocks and wheel bearings along with a bump stop and 2 strut top mounts done and they charged me 1200 bucks. Did i get jibbed?
    Sorry about off the topic post...
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    Hey,

    $2500 sounds about right.....I had mine reco'd at Universal Motors in Richmond. The car goes really well. Also had the starter motor reco'd & refitted for $415.00.

    I'd also get rid of, or replace the cat with a V8 one.....& maybe source a head from the 130bhp engine from the UK.......I'm trying to do this now, but am having problems in arranging shipping. Apparently the difference in power between the 105hp & 130hp engines is in the head.....
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    $2500 sounds cheap for a "full" rebuild....

    Sounds more like a hone and rings,

    Rather than pistons, rings, sleaves, head rebuild and bottom end though....

    I've always wondered how much of a difference balancing the crank in the 1.9 would make to it's ability to rev smoothly......did wonders for my pinto....
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    I don't know yet exactly what these people are going to do. So when I say full reco I don't what I mean. I'm pretty sure they just say
    "We don't know what needs replacing til we get in there so we estimate $2500 depending on how bad my engine is"

    How much does it cost to get this better head imported? If I got a head sourced from England I wouldn't need my head rebuilt. Has anyone actually put on one of these V8 cats? Does it make that much difference. Does anyone know Auto Paris?
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    Ask Robert at STraightway, and he can get you more power while you are at it. It's all a matter of money. I got 50 bhp extra in mine, for a couple of thousand extra. This guy knows what he is doing. It's impossible to give an accurate costing til it gets pulled down. First get a second opinion about whether it is going to explode or not before you 'reco' it. It may just need guides or rings. But when it gets pulled apart and you find it needs pistons and a new cam blah blah, the person that gives you the initial quote of $1500 and gets your business will be ringing to tell you a figure many times larger. Give Robert a call.
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    Yeah that's pretty much what i was expecting to hear. It just depends how seriously I "rebuild" the engine. Basically I want to do a good job on the car and keep it running for a long time (maybe another 250,000) but I don't wanna go psycho coz I can't afford it. I'm still at uni see. Anyway I'll talk to these guys at straightaway. Did they actually reco your engine or did you just get them to do some work? What work did you actually do to get so much more? Is getting an imported series 3 head worthwhile?
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    A series 3 head you can find here from a 122bhp engine......I am not sure if it will fit straight onto the 105bhp block...???

    The series 1 engine (130bhp) we never got down under...

    Pugspares.com...in the UK... advertise 130bhp, 150bhp & 180bhp complete heads with Cams for around 600 pounds......
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    Rather than doing that, have a look in the "Parts for sale" section for Neil_416's thread: 205 GTI engine for sale. It's already been done. Just get them to drop it in.

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    Yeah I would do that except he's in Brisbane and I would have no way of checking it out.

    Has anyone ever sourced a head from England? I would love to be able to
    talk to someone who has done this. Warwick you say that it is better to
    just do all the work locally but pugspares.co.uk claim to be able to get
    150hp from the head change over kit for 600 pounds which works out
    to about $1500 aus. I thought you spent much more than that on yours.
    I read a previous post where you offered pictures of your head next to some others
    if you still have them I would love to see them so you could explain how the
    power is achieved.

    My other question about sourcing a British head is will it reck my idling?
    I thought the airflow sensor couldn't handle a sports cam would this
    still matter with a new head?
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    If you set the topics thingo back to the last 45 days there was a topic there called '205 Gti power upgrade' heaps of info there and check out the link to puma racing in the UK heaps of helpful information on what you can do your 205.
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    Thankx pugsy

    Warwick2, what would you reccomend i do extra, locally, under the cap of $1000
    to my car while i'm rebuilding the engine. Could you tell me in order of priority?

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    have a look at this thread

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    If it's cheap enough and assuming it fits, the later Aussie head might be a good idea. Depends how much it costs. You'd still need to up the fuel pressure via a used 3.0 bar fuel regulator if you went this route. This would give you a better cam than the series one Aussie cam.
    However,using the standard head, I would get some combustion chamber reshaping (increasing the compression by adding metal and improving the shape) and porting by someone who knows what they are doing and maybe bigger inlet valves(forget the exhaust ones). Still need to up the fuel pressure. You don't need injectors. I can't really remember the cost of it. Didn't cost too much. e-mail me at wjjrtt@optushome.com.au for a piccy or furthur info.
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