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    Neil's 205gti to 205/Mi16 adventure begins

    Hi all that are interested

    As some of you may know Iím currently starting to convert my 88 205gti into a Mi16 powered track car. So far Iím getting the engine ready to be dropped into the car with modifications needed to the exhaust manifold, new clutch, water pump and cam belt. I intend to keep this link alive with a regular update with photos to document the conversion.

    This will be the biggest project so far that I have attempted and will be a good guide for you 205gti owners whoís engines are getting old (which by now should be happening for the majority) on how hard and a rough guide to cost for the conversion. I expect that the engine will be going in the car either July/August as Iím about to do the suspension and recon the brakes before the engine goes in. Below are some pictures of the car, the donk and wiring that I need to sort out.

    Keep tuned for an update soon.

    Neil

    P.S Peter T I hear from Adrian that you are the man when it comes to the wiring loom on these puppies. Can you tell me how much of the Mi16 loom I need to keep and How much can be dumped? From the photoís you could probably notice that the black and brown connectors have been damaged on transit from Tasi Will I need to replace these?

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    P.S.S Thanks Brad for hosting the pictures! I'll give you a beer next time at our place(one of Calís that is LOL)

    My 205gti that will become the 205mi16
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    The Engine thanks to Ben in Tasi
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    The Wiring loom that needs to be sorted.
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    <small>[ 28 April 2003, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: neil 416 ]</small>
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    Peter T

    Is all of this required in the wiring loom?

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    Neil.

    Your car is the same colour as mine.

    Good luck with it.

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    The Mi16 harness is a lot different and considerably more complicated than the 205. Not that this is a problem though. There is just more in there than you need. The best thing to do is cut the ECU end off the Mi16 harness and graft it onto the 205 harness. If you're not keen, or electrically minded, send me both harnesses and I'll do it for a small fee.

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    Peter

    From what I have been reading on 205gti forum it is quite a simple process. You simply connect the corresponding two black plugs from the 205 loom to the black and brown plugs of 405 loom and a couple of other wires spliced in.

    Have I been led up the garden path?

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    neil

    good luck with your project ... and i'm sure many will be interested in how you progress. Thanks for deciding to share the process with the forum.

    PS
    Gilly has been selling his 205mi16 (which he bought from JR) for some time now.....just in case whistle
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    Ashley if it was for sale 6 months ago I would have pruchased it.

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    Peter

    These are the links I'm referring to. Let me know if it is BullSh#t if you can.

    <a href="http://www.205gti.com/downloads/wiring.xls" target="_blank">http://www.205gti.com/downloads/wiring.xls</a>

    <a href="http://www.cruisestaffs.co.uk/mi16/" target="_blank">http://www.cruisestaffs.co.uk/mi16/</a>

    Thanks

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    Ashley T:
    PS: Gilly has been selling his 205mi16 (which he bought from JR) for some time now.....just in case whistle
    Where is he located though (Gilly that is) :?

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    neil 416:
    As some of you may know I’m currently starting to convert my 88 205gti into a Mi16 powered track car. Neil
    WRX2PUG has got a 205Mi16 - he maybe able to give you some pointers / tips.

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    Neil - you mentioned that your engine was about to pack it in .... whats the lifespan of an S1 engine? I am looking to buy an 89S1 with 175kms ... what should i expect assuming all the normal signs indicate ok?

    cheers
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    XTC - Gilly is in Newcastle
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    Quite the contrary Ashley. My engine had had at the time of me purchasing it 185K on the clock and had a hard life. Since then I have rebuilt the engine with new piston and sleaves which cost a small fortune.

    I was not planning on doing the conversion in such a short time frame but the engine became available for the right price. The Mi16 engines are hard to get here so instead of waiting for the next one to become available I grabbed it and am now doing the conversion.

    As for the life of the engine I believe if they have been looked after they are good for allot of Km's what number I'm not sure. Mine had had a hard life and the pistons were a mess.

    Just a quick point to remind people that I will be selling the rebuilt s1 8 valve engine on completion of the conversion.

    Ashley the life of an 8valve engine would be a good topic to start and ask people what Km,s their engines are up to.

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    Neil,
    I think that spreadsheet refers to the later 90kW ECU, which is almost identical (in pin layout) to that used in all Mi16's. Your car looks like a Series 1 and thus has a very simple fuel only ECU. It also has wires direct from the ECU to each component connector, rather harness connectors like the Mi16. As an example, there is no ignition wire running back from the ECU to the ignitor. This would have to be added. You could put the whole Mi16 harness in as it is. I'm not sure how it would go for length. But as I said earlier, there's a lot more in that harness than what you actually need.

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    Ashley T:
    Neil - you mentioned that your engine was about to pack it in .... whats the lifespan of an S1 engine? I am looking to buy an 89S1 with 175kms ... what should i expect assuming all the normal signs indicate ok?

    cheers
    hi Ashley,

    ive owned my s1 205gti for nearly three years now and gets thrashed intermittently.

    its done almost 250,000 kays.

    ive recently had my engine checked out. the only cause for concern are o-rings. the engine feels as strong as my first day of ownership and is always on call to whip up a frenzy. even with the amount of kays i do per annum, the workshop says there is still several years worth of driving b4 a rebuild becomes an option. lifespan of a s1 205gti engine? dunno. mines doin better than i first thought.

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    thanks gents .... good idea neil re: the post.
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    Hi Neil, good luck with your conversion - it will be nice to have another 205 Mi16 out there. I probably can't help withe the loom to loom connection as we just rebuilt our entire loom from scratch as the previous wiring was a bit of a nightmare

    AndyY on the 205GtiDrivers forum has just posted what looks to be the beginning of an excellent set of notes on the wiring loom and connections which might help.

    Cheers
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    Hi all

    Well not allot has happened since I the original post but its full steam ahead now. All parts needed will be ordered this week with the car coming of the road in the first week in July for the engine swap.

    Peter T I spoke to Adrian on the weekend regarding the inlet cam wheel I got from his dad. I also asked a question regarding the gear linkage on the Mi box as it is different to the 205. The top leaver does not have a ball end to secure the linkage. Refer picture below.
    <img src="http://home.iprimus.com.au/bwjones/neil/gear_linkage.jpg" alt=" - " />

    I would like to confirm with you and Adrian that I couldnít just replace it with the one off my 205 with the ball on the end or to modify the mi leaver.

    Many thank

    and stay tuned as developments will be coming soon.

    Neil

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    Just knock the roll pin(s) through, and replace the arm with the 205 item. Be carefull though, I had one pin on the 205 box, and two (pin within a pin) on the other box.

    While you're at it, replace the bushes in the bell crank. They only cost 60 cents each, and together with new linkages, make a huge difference. I also did the quick shift mod. at the same time.

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    Peter

    Thanks for the quick reply. I thought that would be the easiest solution but I just could not describe it to Adrian on the weekend. Adrian made me a quick shift some about 6 months ago and I have replaced the bushes and rods.

    Neil cheers!
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    I wish I could remember what I did to mine. Sorry no help at all.
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    Hey Peter

    What would my old 205 gearbox be worth?

    You said in JR's post in parts for sale that it should be worth $800 if it works?

    Is this what they are worth?

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    Yes, I think $800 for BE1 and $1000 for BE3 would be about right, in good condition. BE3 205 boxes are the most highly prized of all, due to their close ratios. Ring a wrecker if in doubt.

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    Anything happening with your car Neil???

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    Neil,

    Engine is looking good, a lot cleaner then when it left me

    Also did you contact Craig RE: that bit of exhaust you needed ? as far as I know it's all still down there, I just never seem to have to time to find out about it...or remember when I am talking to him.

    Anyhow I am glad all seems good with the engine.

    Cheers

    Ben

    PS. I dont think you will have any probs with it, as you know that was a fairly low milage car I wrecked !
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