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    Default 205 8v with quad TBs and Haltech and E10

    Hi guys,

    Just to let you know I have upgraded my 205 to quad 45s and a haltech and we are ready for a Dyno run.

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    The car was last Dyno tested at 83hp at the front wheels.

    The car has a mild headjob with a Peter T cam.

    What do you think the HP has increased to?
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    Oran Park: 1:27:9
    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:54 (8v) 1:48 (16V)
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    Quote Originally Posted by parry
    The car has a mild headjob
    Regardless of what hp it makes, at least you know it will be in a good mood!

    What compression are you running? What are you hoping for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by al
    Regardless of what hp it makes, at least you know it will be in a good mood!

    What compression are you running? What are you hoping for?
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    PBs:

    Oran Park: 1:27:9
    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:54 (8v) 1:48 (16V)
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    surely it has to go 110hp at the wheels?

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    It will be interesting to see as there aren't many t/b 8 valve cars out here...

    Off topic, but i had a chat to Paul at Autoparis and he said he has some new injection system which is achieving massive gains - like over 20hp atw on a 16V 306! (i couldn't help but be a little sceptical) The system isn't cheap, but sounds worthwhile.

    And if you see this Jason, do you have any idea what the Mi16 is getting?
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    My 205 years ago with std injection, K&N, a reasonable cam, ported head, extractors and 2 1/4" system ran 101Hp ATW on an honest dyno. The air flow meter and computer I sumised were the main drawback in the Hp race, but I will never know now. Tried a larger butterfly to no effect.

    I THINK 110+HP ATW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT
    surely it has to go 110hp at the wheels?
    Thanks Peter, you should be close as you installed it.
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    PBs:

    Oran Park: 1:27:9
    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:54 (8v) 1:48 (16V)
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    Off topic, but i had a chat to Paul at Autoparis and he said he has some new injection system which is achieving massive gains - like over 20hp atw on a 16V 306! (i couldn't help but be a little sceptical) The system isn't cheap, but sounds worthwhile.
    new injection as in quads? What does the system include?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCPUG
    new injection as in quads? What does the system include?
    Ditto


    Word to parry and peter's 205's

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    yeh good work guys
    What would a 205Mi16(1.9) with quads + cam+tune make ATW?
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    105.4kw (141HP) ATW
    2:09 Phillip Island (Toyo Street Tyres)

    2001 YAMAHA YZF-R6
    119HP

    1993 MITSUBISHI 3000GT Twin Turbo
    300BHP
    STOCK-14.006 @97.4mph HEATHCOTE
    STOCK-1:15 CALDER Long Circuit (Stock Street Tyres + Stock Pads :banghead )
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCPUG
    new injection as in quads? What does the system include?
    Tbh i tuned out a bit, so i'm not really sure of the details... It's not quads, but rather just a far more modern and advanced system. He said that the XT (i think - it was definately 16 valve) picked up 25hp atw. I'm sure if you were interested he would be more than willing to provide answers. As i said it isn't cheap, but he was swearing by it.

    Apparently it will do wonders for 205s as well - combined with a hairy cam and a bit more compression he has very high targets. (he said it will result in a perfect idle too)

    I don't know whether i was being told crap, but from what i've heard about him he knows what he is doing.

    And about the 205 with quads etc, we need jason mich to tell us - his should be all sorted by now.
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    Ohh i see so its a setup for the lower spec engines rather than the S16/GTi6?
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    105.4kw (141HP) ATW
    2:09 Phillip Island (Toyo Street Tyres)

    2001 YAMAHA YZF-R6
    119HP

    1993 MITSUBISHI 3000GT Twin Turbo
    300BHP
    STOCK-14.006 @97.4mph HEATHCOTE
    STOCK-1:15 CALDER Long Circuit (Stock Street Tyres + Stock Pads :banghead )
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCPUG
    Ohh i see so its a setup for the lower spec engines rather than the S16/GTi6?
    I don't think so. He was also talking about it being applicable to the Mi16, so i can't see why it wouldn't work with the others. To get it done you are looking at $3k+ though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by al
    I don't think so. He was also talking about it being applicable to the Mi16, so i can't see why it wouldn't work with the others. To get it done you are looking at $3k+ though...
    For the power increase he's claiming you could easily spend 5k on other cars...

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    I don't think so. He was also talking about it being applicable to the Mi16, so i can't see why it wouldn't work with the others. To get it done you are looking at $3k+ though
    But i doubt youd see a big hp increase (like the lower spec 16V) as the inlets on the Gti6 + Mi16 are pretty much spot on.
    $3K you could get a Proper Quad setup anyways.
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    105.4kw (141HP) ATW
    2:09 Phillip Island (Toyo Street Tyres)

    2001 YAMAHA YZF-R6
    119HP

    1993 MITSUBISHI 3000GT Twin Turbo
    300BHP
    STOCK-14.006 @97.4mph HEATHCOTE
    STOCK-1:15 CALDER Long Circuit (Stock Street Tyres + Stock Pads :banghead )
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCPUG
    But i doubt youd see a big hp increase (like the lower spec 16V) as the inlets on the Gti6 + Mi16 are pretty much spot on.
    $3K you could get a Proper Quad setup anyways.
    But then you would definitely need to ad an aftermarket ecu, tuning etc...

    $2500 for a good one
    $400 fitting
    $400-$600 tuning

    approx prices....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle
    $2500 for a good one
    $400 fitting
    $400-$600 tuning

    approx prices....
    not that much, the Haltech E6X is only $1250.

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    But then you would definitely need to ad an aftermarket ecu, tuning etc...

    $2500 for a good one
    $400 fitting
    $400-$600 tuning

    approx prices....
    yeh it would cost alot new im talking second hand parts. Im spewing i didnt pick those quads up from chris. $500 was a bargain
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    105.4kw (141HP) ATW
    2:09 Phillip Island (Toyo Street Tyres)

    2001 YAMAHA YZF-R6
    119HP

    1993 MITSUBISHI 3000GT Twin Turbo
    300BHP
    STOCK-14.006 @97.4mph HEATHCOTE
    STOCK-1:15 CALDER Long Circuit (Stock Street Tyres + Stock Pads :banghead )
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    It doesn't need aftermarket management. AFAK the $3500 was everything that was needed to find the horses...
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    Well for all those who voted 110+hp, you have won. The car made 91kW (121hp) at the wheels. 100+ kW was seen at times, but at the final power run, and in the interests of reliablity, 91kW was the final number. As a comparison, Darren's MYT-205 made 107hp on its first outing, eventually increasing to approx. 120hp (from memory) after fine tuning. When you consider Parry/Ashely's car is only 10:1 with small valves, std. exhaust etc., it puts it in perspective. Another comparison is an Mi16 engine I built last year which was 10.8:1 and a Stage I inlet cam, which made 92kW at the wheels.

    A very impressive result from a low budget engine.

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    And guess what fuel we used!

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    Very nice figure from the lil 8V well done
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    105.4kw (141HP) ATW
    2:09 Phillip Island (Toyo Street Tyres)

    2001 YAMAHA YZF-R6
    119HP

    1993 MITSUBISHI 3000GT Twin Turbo
    300BHP
    STOCK-14.006 @97.4mph HEATHCOTE
    STOCK-1:15 CALDER Long Circuit (Stock Street Tyres + Stock Pads :banghead )
    (For Sale)

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    Excellent result. But the most important question is how does it drive compared to both a standard 8 Valve and an Mi 205.

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    Well I am still smilling, watching the little 8v at 102kw constant was a buzz. But it seems the igintion system cant handle the power at the moment so we backed it off to 91kw.

    There is still work to be done as the air inlet temp was in the nineties as it sucks all its air straight after the alluminium radiator.

    A big thank you goes to Peter for his work and also Owen W for his excellent port job on the head.
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    PBs:

    Oran Park: 1:27:9
    Wakefield: 1:05.6 (July 2015)
    Eastern Creek: 1:54 (8v) 1:48 (16V)
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
    Winton: 1:33.6 (2017)

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    Congrats parry. That is exciting news for all of us who hope to pull a little more out of the 8 valver.

    What kind of impact will it have on economy though? (probably not a big concern - i'm just curious)
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