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    Default Rear View mirror fallen off

    Attend all those who have knowledge of the mystical art of bonding dissimilar materials.

    Some twelve months ago my Rear view mirror detached from the windscreen of my 206, bounced off the IP and landed on the passenger floor. Bugger. That was unexpected. Anyway, the dealer spent six months waiting for a part and promising to ring me back (which they never have yet in three years of "service") when in the end, all they intended doing was re-gluing the part back on.

    aside: When they finally decided to do this, I called and was told the car was ready to be picked up from service "Is the mirror attached?"
    "Yep mate, she's all done"
    When I got there, as I drove out the service driveway it became quite clear that the mirror wasn't attached, so I walked back in with the mirror clutched firmly in my livid right fist, just looking for the correct point of insertion in the service manager, and was greeted by "Oh you didn't try to adjust it did you?" "No, it was never on the screen in the first place (small voice in head screaming to be let out "F$3&WIT")" Anyway, instead of doing the job I paid them to do, I was given a tube of mirror adhesive from Bursons and sent on my way.

    Now after about six months of faithful adhesion, the mirror has let go again. Does anyone have any ideas on a better solution than the commonly available two part mirror adhesive from Bursons.

    Sorry for the Rant, I guess I need stronger meds....

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    visit a windscreen shop (ie quickfit, novus etc) - they have the wizzbang glue required and will stick on properly for you straight away.
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    If the mechanic has removed the original adhesive from your mirror by buffing or wire brushing the mounting face I'm afraid It will never adhere properly.
    The mounting face needs to be perfectly flat for it to re-adhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest
    If the mechanic has removed the original adhesive from your mirror by buffing or wire brushing the mounting face I'm afraid It will never adhere properly.
    The mounting face needs to be perfectly flat for it to re-adhere.
    That's what I was afraid of when the part they were waiting for never arrived and I ended up regluing it myself. Clearly the mount is warped, and in my experience they do need to be flat. Oh well, I guess they didn't want to cough up a new mirror assembly under warranty and now I'm stuck with it cos I'm probably too busy or too lazy to fight them about it.

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    This from Gibgib Nov 13 03 -
    If your stick-on RV mirror gets knocked or falls off, don't bother wasting big bucks on the $10 a small tube "use a bit toss the rest" type of *specialised* adhesives.
    Try not to disturb the residue of the old adhesive by scraping, instead give it a wipe with a clean solvent (prepsol, acetone or the like) and grab a small tube of good quality Super Glue as it has the same base material as the *specialised* type.
    Wipe a light coat over the glue left stuck on the windscreen and the same on the mirror mount, wait a few minutes until tacky & restick. This way you reactivate the original acetone base adhesive & get it to return to a liquid momentarily.
    At worst, buying a new tube of Superglue may cost $3 and if there's anything else around needing gluing as there usually is, you can stick that up before the rest of the tube goes off.
    The Specialised stuff usually comes in too small a tube to even think about doing that & done correctly is no better than this system.

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    Super glue will turn brittle when the sun hits it ... And the mirror will fall back off down the track.

    The few times I've needed a mirror stuck on I've just called in at the local Windscreen power. You need to two part glue they use. It has an activator and the glue itself. Once they have glued the mirror on I've never had a problem in the future. They have always either said "She's right mate, don't worry about paying", or "Couple of bux mate, just don't try to move the mirror today".

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    A bit of silicon carbide paper on some float glass combined with 10 - 15 mins of rubbing will get the mount back nice and flat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cruiserman
    A bit of silicon carbide paper on some float glass combined with 10 - 15 mins of rubbing will get the mount back nice and flat.
    Cruiserman,
    My experience is that once the mounting has lost it's chromed or other wise coated finish it won't restick. The perfectly flat finish provides suction, the two part adhesive can then do it's job.
    If an OE mirror is worth a "Roi's" ransome , see what's available for other makes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruiserman
    A bit of silicon carbide paper on some float glass combined with 10 - 15 mins of rubbing will get the mount back nice and flat.
    I've done this with the mirror on my D, it's now lasted five years and doesn't look like budging - used the 2 part glue sourced from Supa Cheap, the kit comes with a solvent to clean/etch the mirror mount and windscreen glass

    These mirrors do have a fairly big mount area, probably 50mm square so it has a good contact area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood
    I've done this with the mirror on my D, it's now lasted five years and doesn't look like budging - used the 2 part glue sourced from Supa Cheap, the kit comes with a solvent to clean/etch the mirror mount and windscreen glass

    These mirrors do have a fairly big mount area, probably 50mm square so it has a good contact area.

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    The surface is 35 x 24 mm, but because of the bowing, the actual contact patch with the windscreen was only about 10x24, and only at one end. To be honest, this is the second mirror that has failed to hold with this type of adhesive, the other being a cheapy replacement fitted to my old Patrol (the original plastic one broke) which also fell off after about six months. The funny thing with the truck is, you can see where the surface coating of the metal part is still stuck to the sceen, it has just departed from the base material. The funny thing with the 206 is, you can see where the adhesive has pulled the black coating off the screen, so I guess it is a bit unfair to blame the adhesive, it's just the coatings on the parts being glued.

    Anyway, I guess I'll get to work flattening the base (service guy specifically instructed not to do this, god knows why) and drop in at a friendly local windscreen shop. Must remeber to dress like a poor student or something....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest
    Cruiserman,
    If an OE mirror is worth a "Roi's" ransome , see what's available for other makes.
    It's not so much the mirror as the big chunk of plastic shroud that covers the rain sensor that is atached to the mirror base. I actually don't know what a new one costs, but I refuse to be defeated by such a trivial thing Call me but I will get this mirror back on one way or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruiserman
    A bit of silicon carbide paper on some float glass combined with 10 - 15 mins of rubbing will get the mount back nice and flat.
    Cheers Cruiserman, I may be at it a bit longer than that as the bowing is quite significant. Perhaps put it on the linisher for a few seconds and polish with the wet and dry after. I'll let you know how I get on.

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