Pug track car
  • Register
  • Help
Page 1 of 2 12 Last
Results 1 to 25 of 27

Thread: Pug track car

  1. #1
    Fellow Frogger! cam740's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Southern Beaches SA
    Posts
    867

    Icon5 Pug track car

    Not sure if it should be posted here or under motorsport but i thought here would be a good place to start!!!

    Advertisement


    i'm thinking of buy a cheapish car (under $3k) to have as a "fun" car that could also see some (maybe 3 or 4 times a year as a guess) track action and I was thinking bout a Mi16.

    I know everyone will point me to a 205 but i just love the extra room of the 405 - what would i need to look out for and do to make it a safe fun track car that is still road usable!!

    I figure if anyones gonna have ideas on this it'll be you guys!!

  2. #2
    Budding Architect ???? pugrambo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Parkes - N.S.W - Australia - Earth
    Posts
    12,256

    Default

    it can be classed as technical/performance so i'll stick it in here for you
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

  3. #3
    Fellow Frogger! cam740's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Southern Beaches SA
    Posts
    867

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    it can be classed as technical/performance so i'll stick it in here for you

    cheers!!

  4. #4
    al
    al is offline
    1000+ Posts al's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    melbourne
    Posts
    2,012

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by cam740
    Not sure if it should be posted here or under motorsport but i thought here would be a good place to start!!!

    i'm thinking of buy a cheapish car (under $3k) to have as a "fun" car that could also see some (maybe 3 or 4 times a year as a guess) track action and I was thinking bout a Mi16.

    I know everyone will point me to a 205 but i just love the extra room of the 405 - what would i need to look out for and do to make it a safe fun track car that is still road usable!!

    I figure if anyones gonna have ideas on this it'll be you guys!!
    Bugger the 205 brigade... I'm tossing up buying another Mi16, stripping it out and having a crack at the motorsport thing.

    From the two goes i've had in my Mi16 on the track i think it was excellent, but my driving skills are limited and i don't think i did it justice. (I'm sure there are others here that can provide you with more extensive info about the cars abilities)

    As for picking one up for a few grand... I've seen a few advertised this year for $4 - 4.5, although i have no idea about their condition.

    Good luck anyway. Keep us posted.

  5. #5
    1000+ Posts PeterT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Castle Hill, Sydney
    Posts
    7,446

    Default

    An Mi16 track car is a great idea! You just need to throw away as much weight as possible. eg carpet, underlay, A/C, spare etc.

    You should also fit a closer ratio 205 GTi gearbox and an LSD, and you'd have a very nice starting package.

    I should elaborate more on the gearbox. The key is to keep the 16V on the boil and the Mi16 is a reasonably heavy car. The best combination is to use the 205 3rd, 4th and 5th ratios with Mi16 1st, 2nd and diff. You obviously don't need to do this first, but it's something to aim for.
    Last edited by PeterT; 22nd April 2005 at 09:28 AM.

    '92 205 Mi16
    '90 Mi16x4

  6. #6
    Member bj_dove's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    108

    Default

    my 405 mi16 project is aiming for a car that effective on the track, but also a mildly friendly road car, hopefully we can get a few more 405's on the track!

    PeterT, what is available for the Mi16 as far as LSD's go??

    cheers
    '91 Peugeot 405 Mi16 - only just run in......

  7. #7
    Fellow Frogger! Cubits's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    555

    Default

    Wouldn't the LSD's from 205's work exactly the same? If so, hook that shiz up wit a phat quaife numba an let rip biotch! I think they're somewhere in the region of $1400 and they rock, hard.
    1987 205 GTI - Graphite Grey - 206k km's
    1988 MR2 Supercharger - Mica Blue - 114k km's

  8. #8
    Fellow Frogger! cam740's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Southern Beaches SA
    Posts
    867

    Default

    What sorta suspension mods need to be made to make it effective as a track tool - bearing inmind it'll still be on the road???

    And whats the best way of boosting the power a little??

  9. #9
    1000+ Posts tekkie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    1,516

    Default

    suspension mods are the same as any other FWD car.

    front: Caster as much as you can physically achieve, camber, toe OUT
    plenty of wheel travel to achieve traction

    rear: As stiff as you can live with on the road, camber, toe IN, larger swaybar. Expect taily rear end.

    LSD is a must, keeping in mind the class limitations.

    Wheels: light, small diameter will give better gearing.

    Brakes: Dot4+ liquid, quality pads. Parry was singing praises of the DS3000's lately.

    and as Peter pointed out. anything that is dead weight is useless.

    Leave power alone until you have suspension sorted.
    Last edited by tekkie; 22nd April 2005 at 06:30 PM. Reason: toe in out confused ... corrected
    .
    1300cc's of jap buzzbox delivered the times below.

    EC 1:54.6 , Wakefield 1:13.15 , OP (short) 52.00 , OP GP 1:24.40


  10. #10
    1000+ Posts pgti6's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    1,612

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by cam740
    Not sure if it should be posted here or under motorsport but i thought here would be a good place to start!!!

    i'm thinking of buy a cheapish car (under $3k) to have as a "fun" car that could also see some (maybe 3 or 4 times a year as a guess) track action and I was thinking bout a Mi16.

    I know everyone will point me to a 205 but i just love the extra room of the 405 - what would i need to look out for and do to make it a safe fun track car that is still road usable!!

    I figure if anyones gonna have ideas on this it'll be you guys!!

    If you intend to do any track work in an 1.9l Mi16, I think the first modification should be a baffled sump. A must especially for Phillip Islands' long sweepers.

    One problem you'll encounter with suspension mods is the lack of most things for the 405. Springs & dampers are available, but arb & torsion bars will need be made up.

    If you want to tweak the motor, see PeterT about one of his custom cams.

    The rest will depend your budget.

    Good luck-it would be great to see more 405's trackside.


    Jeff
    Track car-Steel Grey 405 Mi16 2.2 litre


    405 Track car build thread moved to-
    http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index...ic=143279&st=0

    Lap times-
    Sandown 1 27.9
    Phillip Island 1 53.8

    Previous Frenchies-
    1988 205Gti
    1998 306 GTi6
    1997 306 N5 sedan
    1996 306 N3 XT hatch
    1976 Renault R16TS manual in Avocado
    1976 Renault R16TS manual in Trak Yellow
    1975 Renault 5 Guernsey, Channel Islands
    1972 Renault 4 Guernsey, Channel Islands

  11. #11
    1000+ Posts U Turn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    1,761

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by tekkie
    toe in
    plenty of wheel travel to achieve traction
    I've heard toe out at the front for fwd's helps the car turn in better. Certainly felt like it with my car.
    Take the long way home....

    - 306 gti6

  12. #12
    Fellow Frogger!
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    123

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by U Turn
    I've heard toe out at the front for fwd's helps the car turn in better. Certainly felt like it with my car.
    Hang on you blokes, this bloke wants a "track car " for under $3000 !!!!! that might buy him the car but as we all know it only STARTS there !!. LSD $1400 + fitting, 205 gears + fitting, suspension maybe $1200 if he does it on the cheap, and thats without engine mods !!, $3000 ?????. I dont think so.

  13. #13
    Fellow Frogger! Andreas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2000
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    1,200

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by pgti6
    If you intend to do any track work in an 1.9l Mi16, I think the first modification should be a baffled sump. A must especially for Phillip Islands' long sweepers.
    What he said!

  14. #14
    1000+ Posts tekkie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    1,516

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by U Turn
    I've heard toe out at the front for fwd's helps the car turn in better. Certainly felt like it with my car.
    OW CRAP !

    Front: toe OUT ofcourse !!!!!
    Rear: toe IN



    .
    1300cc's of jap buzzbox delivered the times below.

    EC 1:54.6 , Wakefield 1:13.15 , OP (short) 52.00 , OP GP 1:24.40


  15. #15
    Fellow Frogger! cam740's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Southern Beaches SA
    Posts
    867

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by maxie
    Hang on you blokes, this bloke wants a "track car " for under $3000 !!!!! that might buy him the car but as we all know it only STARTS there !!. LSD $1400 + fitting, 205 gears + fitting, suspension maybe $1200 if he does it on the cheap, and thats without engine mods !!, $3000 ?????. I dont think so.

    I'm well aware that the overall costs are gonna be a lot more than $3k but that the initial outlay!!!

    Lets face it ANYTHINGS gonna be better around a track than an auto 740 turbo with stock suspension!!!! lol

  16. #16
    al
    al is offline
    1000+ Posts al's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    melbourne
    Posts
    2,012

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by cam740
    I'm well aware that the overall costs are gonna be a lot more than $3k but that the initial outlay!!!

    Lets face it ANYTHINGS gonna be better around a track than an auto 740 turbo with stock suspension!!!! lol
    I've been looking into picking up something cheap to bash around autocrosses/ tracks etc today, and i reckon that something like a fuego could go ok.

    As much as i would like to use my current Mi16 i think that i would rather pick up a second car, something rougher that i would have to worry about less. Also, i noticed a couple of really cheap fuegos (under $1k) advertised...

    Anyone driven one of these in anger...? Would they provide a decent basis for a beginners track slag?

  17. #17
    Fellow Frogger! cam740's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Southern Beaches SA
    Posts
    867

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by al_
    I've been looking into picking up something cheap to bash around autocrosses/ tracks etc today, and i reckon that something like a fuego could go ok.

    As much as i would like to use my current Mi16 i think that i would rather pick up a second car, something rougher that i would have to worry about less. Also, i noticed a couple of really cheap fuegos (under $1k) advertised...

    Anyone driven one of these in anger...? Would they provide a decent basis for a beginners track slag?

    Good point Al - maybe my question should be 'whats a cheap car that could be some fun on the track'???

    Lets face it if it's not as fast around a track as a WRX (have u guys seen the 2007 Sti pics??? ) it's all about the fun!!!

  18. #18
    VIP Sponsor
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Posts
    9,175

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by cam740
    Good point Al - maybe my question should be 'whats a cheap car that could be some fun on the track'???

    Lets face it if it's not as fast around a track as a WRX (have u guys seen the 2007 Sti pics??? ) it's all about the fun!!!
    What's more fast doesn't look any good either! It is usually the slower cars that put on the best show, have a look at the 1960s racing 203 pictures posted recently.
    My most enjoyable rallies over the years have always been in bog standard 403s and 404s.
    Graham

  19. #19
    1000+ Posts jo proffi's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    sydney
    Posts
    8,394

    Default

    Anyone driven one of these in anger...? Would they provide a decent basis for a beginners track slag?[/QUOTE]

    .....most of the time.Never done track, but they are tough as, pretty good in a prang, and cheap as chips. Mine was $700 with conis,big exhaust and breaks. and good exterior.
    Jo

  20. #20
    VIP Sponsor
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Posts
    9,175

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jo proffi
    Anyone driven one of these in anger...? Would they provide a decent basis for a beginners track slag?
    .....most of the time.Never done track, but they are tough as, pretty good in a prang, and cheap as chips. Mine was $700 with conis,big exhaust and breaks. and good exterior.
    Jo[/QUOTE]
    One of what?
    Graham

  21. #21
    al
    al is offline
    1000+ Posts al's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    melbourne
    Posts
    2,012

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS
    One of what?
    Graham
    Fuegos...

    Thanks for that Jo, cheap is definately appealing. if i could pick up one for under a grand and strip it out, then do some minor suspention tweaks, i think i would be pretty happy.

    What needs to be done to get cars approved for use on the track? Are there any saftey requirements?

  22. #22
    1000+ Posts jo proffi's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    sydney
    Posts
    8,394

    Default

    Dont forget your yellow and blue GT stripe, just in case anyone forgets who renault is,or for when the Nissan crew wanna have a stab.
    Jo

  23. #23
    1000+ Posts alan moore's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    Ipswich, Queensland.
    Posts
    1,885

    Default

    For just the street sprint series up here a roadworthy car is all that is necessary. Hillclimbs will require an extinguisher, tape on the lights and a battery marker. After that you get serious. MUST have a full cage and harness for true circuit racing. Most of us will never get that far.

    There are a couple of Fuegos circuit racing up here. Certainly not megabuck cars, but the guys have a heap of fun near the back of the grid.

    By comparison a friend has just finished the build up of a 2L Cosworth motor for an Escort. Basically the best of everything costs up toward $30 000, just for the motor and ancilleries. The car probably owes $60 000. How fast do you want to go???
    '56 Renault 750 (16TS Power)
    '62 Renault Dauphine Gordini
    '89 Renault Alpine GTA V6 Turbo
    '08 Renault Megane sedan

  24. #24
    al
    al is offline
    1000+ Posts al's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    melbourne
    Posts
    2,012

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by alan moore
    How fast do you want to go???
    I took a mates porsche GT3 for a spin the other night...that would do

    Realistically though, i don't think i could do a fast car justice until i learn how to drive fast. If i'm any good, and i have fun, i would be up for spending some cash on a fast car, but at the moment i just want to have a bash... (and not in my everyday Mi)

    Also, being a young male i have this desire to see how fast my car will go. Obviously the roads aren't the place for this behaviour, so i am looking for somewhere appropriate to practice some "spirited" driving.

    Anyway, i think the answer to the question is as fast as i can cheaply. This isn't going to be an overly serious venture for me, so hopefully i can get something and just have some fun...

  25. #25
    Fellow Frogger! DejaVu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Croydon, Melbourne
    Posts
    693

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by al_
    I took a mates porsche GT3 for a spin the other night...that would do
    that wouldn't happen to be a yellow one would it? coz i see one of them banging around warrandyte, and jumping creek road every so often... i want it!

    but yeah, i hope to put my Mi16 on a track one day... maybe next year when ive got the money. strip it right out, suspension, and minor engine tweaks. im definately going to be paying lots of attention to this thread.

    would you need any additional cooling to make you dont cook something? like a better radiator or oil cooling or something?
    Last edited by DejaVu; 23rd April 2005 at 09:11 PM.
    2013 Megane RS 265 Trophy

Page 1 of 2 12 Last

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •