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    Icon13 I Could Have Been Killed!!!!

    Two weeks ago I posted a thread on the fact my 87' 205GTi had 11mm thick front discs, not the 20.5mm ventilated discs that every other 205GTI came out with. I was scratching my head trying to work out WHY. Today we were trying to see if the calipers and discs off a 405 would fit. Once we removed the disc on one side we noticed how far the piston was sticking out of the caliper, we took out the pads and pushed the piston back in, fitted the new 20.5mm disc and put the pads back in, put the caliper and the pads back onto the new disc and guess what?????. they fitted perfectly. SOME IDIOT HAD REPLACED THE ORIGINAL WORN 20.5mm DISCS WITH THE 11mm DISCS USED ON THE 205SI. Just imagine what would have happened once the pads had worn out!!!!. Them and the pistons could have easily fallen out of the caliper. I should have listened to Peter T when he said " someone has fitted shitty brakes to your GTI". I COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED!!!!!! Maxie.

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    mate were you lucky or what.just imagine what could of happened and thank buddha that karma the vengfull elephant didnt get you.
    dont you love this sort of thing.

    i once drove home about 1/4 of a k with no wheel nuts on the rear passengers wheel.
    id been to get a puncture repaired and while refitting the mechanic at beaurepairs forgot to put the wheel nuts back on as he got called away to the phone and forgot.
    lucky it was all left turns home as one right turn would have made the wheel come off.

    anyways alls well that ends well and its good to hear you found the problem before something serious and costly happened.-BAZZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxie
    Two weeks ago I posted a thread on the fact my 87' 205GTi had 11mm thick front discs, not the 20.5mm ventilated discs that every other 205GTI came out with. I was scratching my head trying to work out WHY. Today we were trying to see if the calipers and discs off a 405 would fit. Once we removed the disc on one side we noticed how far the piston was sticking out of the caliper, we took out the pads and pushed the piston back in, fitted the new 20.5mm disc and put the pads back in, put the caliper and the pads back onto the new disc and guess what?????. they fitted perfectly. SOME IDIOT HAD REPLACED THE ORIGINAL WORN 20.5mm DISCS WITH THE 11mm DISCS USED ON THE 205SI. Just imagine what would have happened once the pads had worn out!!!!. Them and the pistons could have easily fallen out of the caliper. I should have listened to Peter T when he said " someone has fitted shitty brakes to your GTI". I COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED!!!!!! Maxie.
    Find out who performed the work and complain like crazy to Dept of Transport. These "mechanics" must be shut down before a tragedy happens

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    Don't you just hate having to fix mistakes(read f**kups) that people who don't know which way is up have perpetrated upon your car, before you purchased it.
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    I suppose I shouldn't have my name associated with this thread seeing as how I seem to cop some flaming in a big way every time I comment on this subject, but there is absolutely no excuse for that. The reason I say that is that if you were to take an 11mm disc to replace a 10.5 worn one, firstly you'd have to ask yourself "Why am I changing this?" and if the answer is "it doesn't answer to logic" then you go and ask questions.
    Makes a mockery of these mega bucks an hour for labour being based on their expertise, training and care they take in doing the job doesn't it?


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    Notice that correction came when the owner did the job himself?

    Why bother paying people?

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    Everyone seems to be assuming that the work was done by a mechanic, isn't it possible that it was done by either a compeletly naive diyer, or the unscrupulous previous owner??

    I have had my run of dodgy mechanics over the years, but that is just plain scary!!!!! I hope it was a dodgy back yard job and not actually a registered mechanic that did it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wintermute
    Everyone seems to be assuming that the work was done by a mechanic, isn't it possible that it was done by either a compeletly naive diyer, or the unscrupulous previous owner??

    I have had my run of dodgy mechanics over the years, but that is just plain scary!!!!! I hope it was a dodgy back yard job and not actually a registered mechanic that did it!

    Tony.
    Proof is in the receipt, luckily I have the receipt for a service and ( replacement of worn front brake discs ). In 12/03, done by a MECHANICAL WORKSHOP in Toowoomba, I think i might just give them a call !!!!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxie
    Proof is in the receipt, luckily I have the receipt for a service and ( replacement of worn front brake discs ). In 12/03, done by a MECHANICAL WORKSHOP in Toowoomba, I think i might just give them a call !!!!.
    All I can say is ........ jaw drops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wintermute
    All I can say is ........ jaw drops

    Tony.
    Now you know why a few of us long term French car owners on here go apeshit at some of the jobs done and the prices that get charged for them.



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    I trust you'll be totally polite, maxie, as you demand they put the right rotors in?

    At no cost to you, of course...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan S
    Now you know why a few of us long term French car owners on here go apeshit at some of the jobs done and the prices that get charged for them.



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    Here here Alan - absolutely. And I hope the bastards are reading this column too just quietly. That whole industry needs a damn good kick up the ass IMHO.

    And it's not just their technical incompetence that gets me - I really can't abide all that arrogance that goes with it

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    Yep, tell me about it. The fluttering eyelashes as they patronisingly try to tell you some of the greatest piles of bullcrap you're ever likely to hear. Like the one down the Gold Coast I went to that was trying to sell me plugs for $22 a pop because "they (BXs) take a special plug ya know; ya carn't go puttin' just any old plug in them ya know. They got resistors in the plug leads and all that kinda thing....." When I responded in one word he was still trying to justify a con. When I told him I'd been working on them for 20 years he went very quiet...but I suppose it's a bit hard to argue with the word 'BU!!$#i+' isn't it; particularly when you get caught out talking it.
    This to me is just a case of incompetance and neglect, but too many are just outright bloody thieves by charging for things they don't do. As you say, it really is a trade that needs a bloody good shake up; problem is, as soon as it gets to a regulatory body, all the money from within the industry will be pointed at stopping DIY rather than addressing the root cause of the problem.



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    Its refreshing to know that your brakes have a shit load of tollerence and then some,built into their design.I wonder what other parts of the car this person modified.Maybe you are luckier than you already think you are, if the same type of mods have been performed on the steering/suspension as well.
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    The problem here is that they could deny that they supplied those exact rotors. There may be no warranty for subsequent owners? Check with your state's Ministry of Fair Trading about what rights you have.

    I'd suggest you are polite but firm to the workshop, and mention things like 'safety', 'dangerous', and 'report you' in the same sentence if they baulk at replacement...
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    Don't forget 'fatal consequences' too!

    Alan, it's a shame, but you're probably right about that too... that the first step will be to stop people working on their own cars. That's the kind of daft response you're likely to get...

    Like the item on TV last night or the night before about kids and video games and driving... so 57% had been over 150kmh at some time or other in their lives... okay, big deal! And 45% had been in a car with their parents driving when that happened!

    Life really sucks when you have reasonable parents who know how to drive...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan S
    Now you know why a few of us long term French car owners on here go apeshit at some of the jobs done and the prices that get charged for them.



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    I've had my fair share of dodgy stuff, cons etc, but like Ray I know when I'm being conned (most of the time anyway). I just haven't come across anything as downright dangerous as that.... actually that's not true, I came across a mini once that the mechanic had backed off the adjusters on the drums to the point where there was almost 100% brake pedal travel, and had told the owner that he needed new drums, even though there was nothing wrong with them.....

    One of My worst experiences, was when I got some work done, and they swapped new parts that I had fitted to my car myself with old worn out parts. Unfortunately for me I didn't even look (because the work was completely unrelated) until about 3 months later, by which point I didn't think I could go back and say anything.

    Probably the worst though was when I got the rings done on my morris, I normally would have done it myself, but the gearbox was dead (and I've never had the tools or the confidence to tackle a morrie gearbox), and decied I'd get it all done by the mechanic at once, they didn't change the syncros when I asked them to, and they died 2 Km after picking up the car. After some heated words, they agreed to replace the syncros with no labour charge.

    They drilled out the jets on my carbies, and then proceeded to tell me I needed to get the carbies overhauled, because the car was running too rich, could not be adjusted any further, and it would wear out my new rings...... (I replaced the jets myself)..... about 3 months later I blew a head gasket between 2 and 3 cylinders, cracked the head and the block due to detonation (the head had been ported too, so was not real happy about that).... when I pulled the head off there were obvious score marks on the block surface running between 3-4 cylinders. the [email protected] had deliberately scored the block (and probably also not torqued the head down properly) thinking that it would bring them more work in the not too distant future.

    I'm unfortunatly all to familiar with dodgy practices, but I'm just amazed that anyone would be stupid enough to do what this mechanic did!!!!!! (ie fit undersized totally different disks)

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxie
    Two weeks ago I posted a thread on the fact my 87' 205GTi had 11mm thick front discs, not the 20.5mm ventilated discs that every other 205GTI came out with. I was scratching my head trying to work out WHY. Today we were trying to see if the calipers and discs off a 405 would fit. Once we removed the disc on one side we noticed how far the piston was sticking out of the caliper, we took out the pads and pushed the piston back in, fitted the new 20.5mm disc and put the pads back in, put the caliper and the pads back onto the new disc and guess what?????. they fitted perfectly. SOME IDIOT HAD REPLACED THE ORIGINAL WORN 20.5mm DISCS WITH THE 11mm DISCS USED ON THE 205SI. Just imagine what would have happened once the pads had worn out!!!!. Them and the pistons could have easily fallen out of the caliper. I should have listened to Peter T when he said " someone has fitted shitty brakes to your GTI". I COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED!!!!!! Maxie.
    Maxie - you didn't happen to get this "repair" carried out by the person affectionately known as the Woollongabba Wombat did you?

    If so, I wouldn't be at all surprised

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    Quote Originally Posted by graham66
    Maxie - you didn't happen to get this "repair" carried out by the person affectionately known as the Woollongabba Wombat did you?

    If so, I wouldn't be at all surprised
    This answer it for you?

    Proof is in the receipt, luckily I have the receipt for a service and ( replacement of worn front brake discs ). In 12/03, done by a MECHANICAL WORKSHOP in Toowoomba, I think i might just give them a call !!!!.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan S
    This answer it for you?





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    d'oh! should've read it more carefully - sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by graham66
    d'oh! should've read it more carefully - sorry
    I rang the mechanic in Toowoomba and told him I was from The traffic division of Main Roads. He reckons the APPRENTICE may have fitted them when he was on hol idays, I asked him how he could mistake 11mm discs for 20.5mm ventilated discs !!!. He said the the APPRENTICE would have fitted the discs that were delivered. I asked him if his APPRENTICE had a Labrador to guide him around. Anyway, I left him in a right state. He kept telling me he had no insurance !!!!! do you think Ive got him worried ??.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxie
    He reckons the APPRENTICE may have fitted them when he was on hol idays, I asked him how he could mistake 11mm discs for 20.5mm ventilated discs !!!. He said the the APPRENTICE would have fitted the discs that were delivered.
    So where does the APPRENTICE learn from? Does he know how to do the job without consulting a manual, or a more experienced colleague? If so, why is he still an apprentice?? Whatever happened to 'adequate supervision' or even, well hell, teaching the apprentice what is required of his job? Who's fault is that? Hint: the person who should have paid his insurance up hey

    It seems to me that apprentice-bashing is a favourite pastime in the automotive industry (and it gets a fair run here at times ). I have also experienced the same thing; I complained about damage done to my car once and was told 'yeah the apprentice moved it in the shop and must of done that'. Well, is this apprentice meant to be learning, or are you just using him as simply cheap labour (while still charging the customer the same hourly rate)?

    Funny; I recall being a kind-of 'apprentice' in my profession (such that they did then, now they don't at all) and while I made mistakes - many in fact (besides getting into the ludicrous field in the first instance) - I was never allowed to let one out the door. At first all my work was checked and critiques given - by everyone - on every and any thing I had done wrong, no matter how insignificant. But with time and experience - generally experience of the most stinky of the jobs that came in as well - you learnt how to deal with things, and got a lot of knowledge you simply couldn't find 'in the book'. Some I the things I have had to go back to basics and even nut out.

    These days I still take extra care to not let mistakes out the door. Unlike a car mechanic, I work in a specialised field and my customers are others in specialised professions, so you can't get away with too much. And when you do work out something from scratch you can write a paper on it and impress your colleagues instead of them taking the piss

    But then it is in a similar vein that some things I work on could cause somebody injury or death if I made a serious blunder (such as substituting a grossly incorrect part). These things especially are checked - usually by someone else - before they are declared done and signed off.

    In this instance, there are at least two critical points; that the part supplied matches the specification for the replacement part, and a physical comparison between the existing and replacement item. Both of these checks would have immediately shown the replacement part to be incorrect. If this indeed were the work of the alleged 'apprentice' then his/her mentor should have not only previously explained and detailed this check process, but done it alongside to be sure.

    It seems likely that after this job the car would have stopped little better than before. That the car was let out of the shop in such a dismal state demonstrates a lack of professionalism to boot.

    I am no lawyer, and I am unsure what legal recourse there is. But it would seem to me with the excuses that point to delibrate cutting of corners (no insurance) and poor tracking of work,especially critical work (maybe apprentice did it), maybe this is a business where one should not be.

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