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    Hi there,

    I was wondering if anybody knows anything about lowering a 505, mine is an 81' GR, is there anywhere in Australia i can buy shorter springs for my pug, or do i have to import ? Also, would i need a camber kit ?

    cheers, Glen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuGmAn
    Hi there,

    I was wondering if anybody knows anything about lowering a 505, mine is an 81' GR, is there anywhere in Australia i can buy shorter springs for my pug, or do i have to import ? Also, would i need a camber kit ?

    cheers, Glen.
    put the gti suspension in. My cousin is about to run eibach coilovers in his turbo 505 so I'll ask for you if you like

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Shearer
    put the gti suspension in. My cousin is about to run eibach coilovers in his turbo 505 so I'll ask for you if you like

    Dave

    Cheers mate, that would be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Shearer
    put the gti suspension in. My cousin is about to run eibach coilovers in his turbo 505 so I'll ask for you if you like

    Dave
    Excuse my ignorance, but by putting the GTi suspension in you means just the shocks and springs. Not too familar with the set up under cars, so I do not know how the GTi and the GR differs.

    I'm also looking at changing sway bars. The front from a GTi and the rear from a 604 - sorry 'rambo , as suggested by Dave McBean. That should make a big difference?
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    if u get any news on the lowered suspension tell me casue iam interested for my 505 gti for some reason
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    I would track down some STI Or GTI struts and use the whole strut setup as is with some new shocks fitted (perhaps LIPs from EAI). This will give you some negative camber and lower the ride height.
    You may as well pick up the matching rear springs and fit them as well to bring down the rear to a better height.

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    Cheers for all your advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlb
    Excuse my ignorance, but by putting the GTi suspension in you means just the shocks and springs.
    I think the GTI sway bars are a lot thicker, and I think (dont quote me) the springs are stiffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuGmAn
    Hi there,

    I was wondering if anybody knows anything about lowering a 505, mine is an 81' GR, is there anywhere in Australia i can buy shorter springs for my pug, or do i have to import ? Also, would i need a camber kit ?

    cheers, Glen.
    K-MAC will make a set of 2" shortened/heavier GTi springs for (from memory) $186 each pair front and rear. They also have 27mm front sway bars and 20mm rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Shearer
    put the gti suspension in. My cousin is about to run eibach coilovers in his turbo 505 so I'll ask for you if you like

    Dave
    Do Eibach make a coilover specifically for the 505 or is your cousin adapting something? Any idea what it cost him?

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    just be wary when you lower the front as you will get neg camber

    i lowered a 504 3" at the front and had some nice neg camber but i adjusted tyre pressures to get even wear and afterwards went back to running 504 lower arms to pull it back in a little

    i also had 1.5-2 deg neg camber on the rear as well

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    My 504 was lowered the same amount and also handled beautifully although next time I would have heavier progressive rate springs rather than just cut off the stockers with a hacksaw-absolutely knocked the bejeezes out of the bumpstops

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    King springs can make springs to pretty much any specs you want, but they come at a cost of about $290 a pair. Because they're made to order I've been told by a local suspension specialist that they (King Springs) need to check the damping rates of the old springs. Minimum 2 weeks without your Pug!
    Do EAI or French Connection sell any of this sort of stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 505 to the max
    King springs can make springs to pretty much any specs you want, but they come at a cost of about $290 a pair. Because they're made to order I've been told by a local suspension specialist that they (King Springs) need to check the damping rates of the old springs. Minimum 2 weeks without your Pug!
    Do EAI or French Connection sell any of this sort of stuff?


    if you have a spare set of springs it makes it easy

    why 2 weeks ?

    when i had jumbo springs in moorebank in sydney do mine they did them over night
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    Originally posted by 505 to the max
    .....I've been told by a local suspension specialist that they (King Springs) need to check the damping rates of the old springs.....
    Do you know what the term 'codswollop' means?

    Either your informant was ill advised on which words to use, or King Springs didn't explain what they needed very well.

    I have no doubt they don't take the 'damping rate' into account at all. Salient points they would need would be preload, spring rate and effective compression level at rest.

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    I may have misquoted that part... Bowers Susp. in Newcastle said this: $290 per pair, old springs come out and get shipped to Melbourne which takes about two days. King Springs then test them and manufacture new springs according to the specs obtained from the old ones. This reportedly takes up to five working days. Another two days to send back the new springs and then allow another day for fitment. Ten working days. I think the K-macs sound like a far easier option.

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    Well, apart from what I'd say is the more admirable idea of leaving the car standard, you would think that a spring maker worth his salt would have done all the measuring and checking before... and kept a record of what was done so they could avoid this.

    King Springs, by the way, live on the Gold Coast. That would account for a lot of the time involved...

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    i also had a set of pedders springs off the shelf

    if i were you i'd hunt around and ask some more people
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    Nisspug,
    I hope that this means that they'll fit a GR as well... Do you have a part number for the K-macs? Any price versus performance recommendations with regards to shocks?

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    Well I haven't done this myself YET but I believe the main diff btw GTi struts and SR struts is that GTi struts have more camber so I'm pretty sure the GTi springs on their own will fit the SR (if this is not correct please someone correct me). Will check later to see if they gave me a part nr but you can email them at [email protected]. As far as strut inserts go to match the heavier/lower GTi springs I'm not sure. Usually stock inserts will not adequately control heavier springs though lots of people still use them. I might try to find some factory strut inserts (dont know if the strut inserts on my 505 are factory or aftermarket yet, would have to take them apart) and get someone to rebuild them with heavier fluid or different valving (or do this myself if I can find heavier shock fluid). I haven't yet found anyone that makes heavier strut inserts for the GTi only standard rate. Anyone else know of any? The standard GTi strut insert is probably heavier and perhaps shorter than the SR (so it would capture the lower springs better) but I don't know if they will fit the SR struts.
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    There's no point in using heavier oil...

    In fact, it has the potential to damage the valving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    There's no point in using heavier oil...

    In fact, it has the potential to damage the valving.
    Ok-may try the valving or keep looking for uprated ones.

    I had a look on the email K-mac sent me and there is no part nr. Springs cost $180pr plus $22pr shipping within 24 hrs. Swaybars are $195 each.

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    I've got a pair of complete GTI struts in the shed, and a set of 1992 Rear 505 Wagon springs.

    I am planning to put them on my SR wagon, is it going to improve things or do I need to do more ?


    Cheers

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    Are they GTi wagon springs? If not, forget them...

    You know, if there was fifty takers here, we could get a special order of Koni strut inserts made.

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    Yep they are GTI wagon gear....


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