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    Default Turning off eco mode in 307? Can anyone translate German

    A relative of mine is desperate to disable or delay further the eco mode shutdown time on his 307. We managed to find this on a German website and this could be the answer. http://translate.google.com/translat...ial_s%26sa%3DG

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    I have also pasted text below but the drawing isn't shown.

    I've tried the web translators but it really needs to be translated by someone with a technical background.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Jarrod


    ECO-Modus: Zwangsabschaltung des Radios umgehen (verlängern)
    02.10.2003
    Eine Entwicklung von Peter Krüger
    Normalerweise kann man ein Autoradio maximal eine halbe Stunde lang im abgestellten
    Fahrzeug betreiben, bis dieses den Eco-Modus aktiviert und das Radio und weitere
    Verbraucher zur Batterieschonung abstellt. Mit dieser kleinen Zusatzschaltung und einer
    Modifikation der Radioanschlussverkabelung spielt das Radio „so lange, bis eine selbst
    einstellbare Zeit zwischen ca. 60Min und mehreren Stunden vergangen ist. Ist das Radio
    ausgegangen, kann man es durch Öffnen einer Tür, Betätigen der Zentralverriegelung oder
    Einschalten der Zündung wieder aktivieren. Ein derartiges Einschalten der genannten
    Verbraucher vor der Ablaufzeit des Timers bewirkt automatisch die erneute Zählung der Zeit
    von Beginn an. Die Zeit kann stufenlos mittels des in der Schaltung befindlichen
    Einstellreglers eingestellt werden. Die Schaltung ist mit der im Radio befindlichen Sicherung
    für die Antennenspannung abgesichert und belastet den Akku nicht im ausgeschalteten
    Zustand.
    Die Anschlußbelegung:
    [1] Verbindung mit Antennenspannung, die vom Radio geliefert wird
    [2] Radio Plus - nicht Dauerplus.
    Hier muß das Kabel vom Adapter getrennt werden
    [3] Dauerplus vom Auto
    [4] "verzögertes Plus", was ursprünglich am Radio Plus angeschlossen war
    [5] Masse
    Alle Teile habe ich in einem Kästchen von ca. 30x30x60 untergebracht, was ich bei Conrad
    gekauft hatte. Außerdem habe ich das Kästchen mit breitem Klettband beklebt, damit es
    hinter dem Radio nicht an den Kabeln scheuert oder gar an bestimmten Metallteilen
    scheppert  …“
    Einbauanleitung (Kabelfarben unter Vorbehalt!)
    a) Leitung an Pin 5 des Radios (grün, dünn = Antennenleitung) anzapfen
    und auf Klemme [1] der Schaltung legen
    b) Die am Pin 4 des Radios (blau) angeschlossene Leitung auftrennen und
    - vom Radio kommend auf Klemme [2]
    - vom Auto kommend auf Klemme [4] legen
    c) Leitung an Pin 7 (grau = Dauerplus) des Radios anzapfen
    und auf Klemme [3] legen
    d) Klemme [5] mit einer beliebigen Masse verbinden
    , z.B. Radio Pin 8 (Grün-gelb)
    Alle benötigen Bauteile bekommt man bei Conrad Electronic (www.conrad.de) oder Reichelt
    (www.reichelt.de), sicher auch bei Segor (www.segor.de) und diversen anderen.
    Für die Kontaktierung auf der Leiterplatte empfehlen sich einlötbare Lüsterklemmen, für das
    Anzapfen der Leitungen im Fahrzeug sind spezielle Schnellbauklemmen zu empfehlen, bei
    denen Originalleitung und Anzapfung mittels Quetschverbinder kontaktiert und gleichzeitig
    isoliert werden.
    Erläuterung „verzögertes Plus“: Im Peugeot 307 gibt es eine Versorgungsleitung, die neben dem
    normalen Zündungsbetrieb teilweise bereits beim Türöffnen aktiv ist und auch nach Abschalten des
    Motors noch eine Weile Strom führt. Diese Leitung eignet sich besonders zum Speisen von
    Verbrauchern, die nicht sofort mit der Zündung abgeschaltet werden sollen. Diese Leitung bleibt
    normalerweise auch aktiv, solange das Radio spielt.
    - 2 -
    - 2 –
    ECO-Modus: Zwangsabschaltung des Radios umgehen (verlängern)
    Auszüge aus den Diskussionsforumbeiträgen von Peter Krüger und Volker Arndt
    Hier noch Infos zum Transistor BC327-40:
    
    
      
     
            
     !  "    
    #
    Schaltkreis CD4536:
    
    
      
     
          "    
     " $ 
    #
    Verwendete Anschlußklemmen:
    
    
      
     
                $ 
    
       
    % 
    % 
    
    #
    Als Gehäuse habe ich Eins von diesen benutzt:
    
    
      
     
           "  
    
    %  ! 
    #
    Als Leiterplatte habe ich eine Lochrasterplatte mit 2,5mm Lochabstand benutzt. Die
    Lötpunktverbindungen sind mit Widerstandsanschlußdrähten verlegt.
    Zum Transistor: Es tut natürlich praktisch jeder pnp-Transistor, der in der Lage ist, 25 Volt auszuhalten
    und den Relais-Strom sicher zu schalten. Bei Ersatztransistoren daher unbedingt bei der
    Schaltungserprobung hierauf achten und für sättigende Ansteuerung des Transistors sorgen
    (Spannung Kollektor-Emitter < 1V), ggf. den 10-K-Widerstand in der Basisleitung leicht (!) verringern,
    sonst lieber Transistor mit höherer Stromverstärkung wählen. Typ -40 hat ein Stromverstärung von
    typisch 250. Kostet bei http://www.reichelt.de 0,04 Euro ("BC 327-40") Schaltkreis alldort: 0,45 Euro
    ("MOS 4536") Gahäuse hat's auch jede Menge dort ...
    Abschließender Hinweis:
    Die Entstehungsgeschichte und weitere Hinweise sind z.B. im Forum Langzeit nachzulesen:
    http://forum.langzeittest.de/read.ph...&i=1700&t=1700
    http://forum.langzeittest.de/read.ph...&i=1698&t=1541
    und folgende Beiträge.
    02.10.2003 VAr.
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    He did build a rather complex box with a regulator thing where you can adjust the time...
    Since i dont wanna translate everything now, is your friend just searching for something to turn the eco mode completly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by david_gm16
    He did build a rather complex box with a regulator thing where you can adjust the time...
    Since i dont wanna translate everything now, is your friend just searching for something to turn the eco mode completly?
    He (My Stepfather) would prefer to turn it off completely but if that is not possible the increasing the delay would be the next best option. Interestingly the dealers can turn it off by putting it in "showroom mode" but as soon as you drive it above 10km/h it reverts back to the normal program.

    Ps I am mainlly after how he connected it to the car and how it interfaces with the existing setup, not so much the instructions on how to build the timing cct or how the timing circuit works. You need to be pretty sure of what you are doing before you hack into the loom of a multiplexed car!

    Thanks

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    He didnt modify the cars electronic he did build a new box...
    Ehm basically you just need to put the radio plus cable to the battery plus instead of the normal one..
    Okay for you it should enough that:
    the gray cable is the battery plus
    the blue cable is the normal plus which is powered of in eco mode
    i think you just have to split the gray cable and put in the default place AND in the place where the blue cable was.

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    What's this 'eoc-mode' you speak of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad
    What's this 'eoc-mode' you speak of?
    ECO Mode is a feature on the 307 (and possibly other new pugs) which automatically disconnects nearly all the body electrics on the car after about 25 mins, even if the ignition key is in the accessory position. Radio, electric windows, door locks, lights (except for parkers and interior light) are all affected. Once this mode has been activated the only way to reset the system is to start the engine. A real pain if you like the radio on while you clean your car, Frequent drive inns, or for any other reason you want to spend any longer than 25 mins in you car without the motor running. Its a case of the car being too smart for its own good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david_gm16
    He didnt modify the cars electronic he did build a new box...
    Ehm basically you just need to put the radio plus cable to the battery plus instead of the normal one..
    Okay for you it should enough that:
    the gray cable is the battery plus
    the blue cable is the normal plus which is powered of in eco mode
    i think you just have to split the gray cable and put in the default place AND in the place where the blue cable was.
    David,

    Thank you for your effort so far. From you reading of the article do you get the impression that the fix described is a fix for the radio only. From my dodgy web translation I am beginning to think this may be the case and it is not (as I hoped ) a fix for the eco mode in general.

    Thanks again

    Jarrod

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarrods
    ECO Mode is a feature on the 307 (and possibly other new pugs) which automatically disconnects nearly all the body electrics on the car after about 25 mins, even if the ignition key is in the accessory position. Radio, electric windows, door locks, lights (except for parkers and interior light) are all affected. Once this mode has been activated the only way to reset the system is to start the engine. A real pain if you like the radio on while you clean your car, Frequent drive inns, or for any other reason you want to spend any longer than 25 mins in you car without the motor running. Its a case of the car being too smart for its own good.

    Jarrod
    What a turd of an 'accessory'. Begs the question why they didn't add a switch. I can think of a number of reasons why I'd want the electrics on for a while. Drive in, washing the car, camping, sleeping in it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad
    What a turd of an 'accessory'. Begs the question why they didn't add a switch. I can think of a number of reasons why I'd want the electrics on for a while. Drive in, washing the car, camping, sleeping in it...
    I've heard this sort of thing a few times and it's always confused me. So tell me, how does one wash the car with the radio on (in such a manner that one can hear it), without the inside of the car getting wet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206
    I've heard this sort of thing a few times and it's always confused me. So tell me, how does one wash the car with the radio on (in such a manner that one can hear it), without the inside of the car getting wet?
    What about when you clean the inside or after you have washed it and you are drying or polishing! Some people actually spend time in their cars when they are not actually driving. ie having lunch, having a powernap, waiting to pick the kids etc. It is not the sort of feature you use every day but it is frustrating. The point is if you want it on you can't. Peugeot in their wisdom have decided to cater for the small minority who leave stuff on for a day or two and flatten their battery.

    Jarrod

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarrods
    What about when you clean the inside or after you have washed it and you are drying or polishing! Some people actually spend time in their cars when they are not actually driving. ie having lunch, having a powernap, waiting to pick the kids etc. It is not the sort of feature you use every day but it is frustrating. The point is if you want it on you can't. Peugeot in their wisdom have decided to cater for the small minority who leave stuff on for a day or two and flatten their battery.

    Jarrod
    I'm not defending Peugeot's brain-dead Economy Mode, Jarrod, believe me - I've just never understood how you can wash or dry a car with the windows or a door open without getting water inside

    The other stuff you mentioned are valid concerns - though someone caught having lunch in my car would be marched outside and summarily shot

    Of course, you always do have the option of putting the key back in and starting it up again - as I've said - a brain-dead idea on PSA's part.
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