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    Default Question - 406 Auto Gearboxes

    I'm considering purchase of a 406.

    I've heard a few negative reports about the 406 auto gearboxes.

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    Do any forum members have experience or advice that they can share?

    Should I avoid 406 autos? Are there variant auto gearboxes fitted to the 406 - if so are any of these bettter or worse than others?

    Any advice appreciated.

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    As far as I know, they don't break, but they are just lazy indecisive/overdecisive illogical heaps of junk (the trannies). A non sporting style of driving may not cause you to feel any grief though. Depends how much you expect from it. Get a manual if possible. I just traded a manual coupe (40 k's in blue) on a BM. Pm me if you are interested.
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    Even when you adopt a "non sporty" style of driving they are still extremely indecisive. I actually found it responded when you boot it.

    Our 406 coupe had new software installed after the first service when we complained about the factory settings. (this helped a little) The dealer talked some crap about it being french and trying to emulate a manual transmission... i did ask who drove manuals like that but got no response.

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    Default 406 transmission

    Sorry for bad tidings, but I'm still recovering.

    I had jerky changes, clunking etc from my 1998 406ST for a couple of years - not dreadful, but reported each service to the dealer and they said all was well.

    I finally got sick of hearing all was well, as it plainly was not (worse when hot) and to cut a long story short, the transmission was internally stuffed, with a failed bearing leading to overheated oil and then other failed components.

    It cost $4750 for removal, full overhaul and repair and replacement. This was done by a specialist that the dealer finally recommended. This in a 6 year old car (4 year old when it started to play up) with now 130,000km on it. Regularly serviced, no towing.

    For the record, this was an AL4 transmission which is also used in Citroens etc.

    There are some good threads on the Peugeot forum re types of transmission, how they determine change points etc.

    This is only a one off, in a great car, but a very expensive and disappointing 1 off! Needless to say, no joy from either Peugeot Australia or the dealer as it was way out of warranty even when it started.

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    I have a friend with a 2001 406 Coupe that also had a failure at only 70K.

    Always serviced, no previous problems. Peugeot would only offer him $700 compensation as it was out of warranty - it was cheaper to get a transmission specialist to fix it, but it still cost over $7k and took ages to get bits.

    He loves the car and will keep it, but is very dark on Peugeot and the importers.

    Paul

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    Thanks all for these comments. The last two go to the issues that I had feared so I will proceed very cautiously!

    I guess now I have to think about what is an alternative to a 406 if I cannot find a decent (and affordable) manual ....

    It would be hard to have anything other thana Pug as I've owned nothing else since 1974!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IWS
    Thanks all for these comments. The last two go to the issues that I had feared so I will proceed very cautiously!

    I guess now I have to think about what is an alternative to a 406 if I cannot find a decent (and affordable) manual ....

    It would be hard to have anything other thana Pug as I've owned nothing else since 1974!

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    Manual 406s are fairly common - I looked at several when I bought mine a few months ago. I drove 2 autos for comparison and am very glad I went the manual option - you can almost treat it like a sports car as the engine loves to be worked. But I think it is too revvy/peaky to be happy with an auto, and is much slower with the slushbox.

    Watch for worn clutchs and clutch cables (sticky, dodgy auto adjusters) - weak points in the manuals.
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    In the 406 SV the manuals and clutches are very good and the clutch actuation is by a hydraulic system not a cable. I had to replace my hydraulics which comes as one part including the reservoir master and slave at the ridiculous price of $540. I have owned this car since new and it now has 136,000km on the clock and the box and clutch are original and feel like new, I would characterise this as a fabulous car.

    There are two 406 SV autos in my family and for normal driving the autos are fine but are bloody awful if you wish to engage in spirited driving. I am aware of one transmission failure of a V6 auto that cost the owner of this 406 coupe $4600 for a full rebuild at 147000km.
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    Curious,
    has anybody checked the operating temperatures on the pug autos.Suspect that they are too high which would explain the early failures.

    JoBo

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    I have just bought a 2002 406 sv D9 II auto at 15k km.

    Yes, sometimes it is interesting driving as it wants to predict what you want it to do ("Adaptive Mode" I think they call it). Maybe it's not as bad as older autos as they may have done some programming mods. Wouldn't it be nice to buy a 'normal' program? The sports mode is more predictable, but too 'sporty' for me during normal driving (holds gears when you want it to go up). When required though, it comes in handy.

    Maybe I should sell it around 50k km!

    Manual D9 II sedans are very rare but would be great, if the older ones are anything to go by.

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