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    Bonjour mes amis!
    At last I have managed to get some photos of the 2.2l 404 I'm constructing.
    Almost finished the engineering on the car.All we have to do now is finish the thing!If you go to www.peugeotech.com.au you will find some photos of the 404.Take a close look at the boot photo and see if you know where the A/C parts came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck
    Bonjour mes amis!
    At last I have managed to get some photos of the 2.2l 404 I'm constructing.
    Almost finished the engineering on the car.All we have to do now is finish the thing!If you go to www.peugeotech.com.au you will find some photos of the 404.Take a close look at the boot photo and see if you know where the A/C parts came from.

    Hi Chuck,


    I'm restoring a 404 at the moment, but using a 505 carby motor which will later be warmed up.

    Did you have problems with gridlock between the the steering flector and the block ? I would be really interested to know what problems you had and how you overcame them.

    The air con fan/evaporator looks japanese, possibly nippon denso from toyota or honda possibly. Are you sure parcel shelf ducting system will cool the car.

    regards

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    very nice I am impressed I would like to know what parts were used to fit the hypoid diff I am thinking of putting one in my 404
    regards jamie

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1pugnut
    very nice I am impressed I would like to know what parts were used to fit the hypoid diff I am thinking of putting one in my 404
    regards jamie

    the trouble with a hypoid diff in a sedan is that the torque tube can hit the tunnel

    you either have to modify the tunnel or limit the travel of the diff or raise the rear end of the car to gain clearance
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    Yeah we have cut the tunnel and fitted a spreader piece to give us about 125mm deeper tunnel.I used 504L rear axle hardware purchased from another kind 404phile.We added 30mm to the panhard bar and the axle just sits in.With 504 standard rims only a small amount of body work is needed to clear the tyres.The torque tube and tailshaft had to be shortened too!
    Once I work out how to put new pics up I'll let you know.

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    Why not use 404 axles and axle tubes? Keep the wheels in closer to where they belong? It all bolts together... well, some elongation of the holes on the RH side, but that's easy.

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    I have'nt tried to fit the 404 tubes as I wanted to increase the track,as we intend to get 200hp or so eventually.We are using the car as a learning project for the younger staff and will include chassis tuning into the project.
    Besides,a 404 with slightly flared guards should look nice.
    I will look at the 404 axles when I get the chance as I seem to recall my brother doing just as you suggested another life ago.

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    a 404 with slightly flared guards should at least take that straight lined flat look away from it

    might even put a little strength into those guards and we all know they need it

    a 404 with some style would be good to see
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    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

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    They 'flare' naturally when they get a biff in the rear end...

    So I'd say they should stay straight to keep the back of the car up better (at least it would be some help), and they look right that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    They 'flare' naturally when they get a biff in the rear end...

    So I'd say they should stay straight to keep the back of the car up better (at least it would be some help), and they look right that way.


    flare it, drop it, stiffen it

    good wide rubber under it

    it can only look and handle better then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Why not use 404 axles and axle tubes? Keep the wheels in closer to where they belong? It all bolts together... well, some elongation of the holes on the RH side, but that's easy.
    You would need to shorten the axle tubes if you use 404 axles and tubes. Otherwise the axles wont go far enough into the splines, a particular problem if you have a factory LSD.
    115mm eh, how far does the deepened tunnel extend for?
    I will be doing this on my 203, hopefully it won't need as much.
    Graham

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    Yeah, like the one on the north coast of NSW... needed three axle tubes to make two or something.

    I can't for the life of me imagine a 404 with flares looking any good!
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    Good fellows,

    this question of hypoid diff in earlier vehicles interests me.

    Commonly see comments re: spreader piece or raising rear end for torque tube clearance.

    What would be the minimum rear end raise to overcome this problem?

    cheers ed ge

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    just imagine this car with a little pumping on the guards to give it some shape

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    1 x '98 306 GTi6

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    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

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    But notice how much better it looks without that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    But notice how much better it looks without that?

    no......
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    I do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    I do...


    hook, line and weighty thing

    your devotion to the 404 should go down in the pages of pug history
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    Along with your penchant for purging the purity of Peugeot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Along with your penchant for purging the purity of Peugeot...


    phhhfftt

    any mod to a 404 has to make them look better

    it was never a car that stands out from the crowd like the 403 before it or the 504 after it

    pity as it could have been a real good car
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    All they ever needed was a fifth gear and a bit more grunt...

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    That 404 seems to be doing all the right things without the aid of flares.
    Although the 504 rear end? could be assisting. Note inner rear wheel.

    A 404 with flares ? Would be likened to a rat with a gold tooth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest
    That 404 seems to be doing all the right things without the aid of flares.
    Although the 504 rear end? could be assisting. Note inner rear wheel.

    A 404 with flares ? Would be likened to a rat with a gold tooth!

    i was wondering how long it was going to take someone to notice that seeing as it is the 2nd time i have posted the same pic

    no one picked it last time

    probably why it is handling so well
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    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

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    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    All they ever needed was a fifth gear and a bit more grunt...

    a 404 was a good car in it's day

    the 504 is everything the 404 isn't though

    a 504 rides better and handles better

    i'd nearly go as far to say the 504 would stop better as well

    peugeots have always been renowned for their brakes so i couldn't see them going backwards from the 404 to the 504 in stopping power

    all my 504's had 604 brakes on them so that's an unfair comparison but i know my sisters auto 504 stopped very well even for a heavy auto
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    1 x '98 306 GTi6

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    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    I'd say it's obvious you have never driven a '69 or '70 model with the brakes working properly then...

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