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    Default 406 twin cam

    can you squeez a 406 twin cam into a 205

    how diff are they to a mi16?

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    The 406 2 litre is only 100kW anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peujohn
    The 406 2 litre is only 100kW anyway.
    But the 205 is about 500 kilos lighter than the 406 and 150kilos lighter than the 206 GTI (same motor) so should go quite hard. The engine weight would be the only concern, it should bolt up to the transmission OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS
    But the 205 is about 500 kilos lighter than the 406 and 150kilos lighter than the 206 GTI (same motor) so should go quite hard. The engine weight would be the only concern, it should bolt up to the transmission OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casterbased
    is it alloy?
    No, hence the comment about weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS
    No, hence the comment about weight.
    If we are talking about the EW10J4 engine, it is an alloy block and head, with cast iron liners. If it's an XU, I take it all back
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206
    If we are talking about the EW10J4 engine, it is an alloy block and head, with cast iron liners. If it's an XU, I take it all back
    That's something new I've learned!
    Seems Peugeot can't decide which way to head, they have iron and alloy versions of the XU and TU, but I thought they had settled on iron for the EW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jester_fu
    I thought the 206's only ever came with the EW10J4 motor in them, making it the all alloy with steel liners, and a 102kW. The XU10J4 and XU9(which is also alloy) which is used by PeterT and the other guys is probably a better choice for a few reasons.
    1) there are guys here with heaps of knowledge on them allowing you to do mods etc. yourself.
    2) it's easier to get a workshop manual for one now they are no longer a current model.
    3) there are heaps of after market goodies for them including PeterT's cams which are cheap cheap cheap!! Extractors to suit the firewall in the 205, throttle boddies etc etc.
    4) The engines themselves are cheap along with the Mi16 donor vehicles. 206's still fetch a pretty penny, even as wrecks. That last wrecked 180 ended up going for 15k+ $ at auction, didn't it SLC?

    The ultimate would be a 205 engined EW10J4S at 130kW in stock trim, and a 300kg weight advantage over the 206GTi180 donor, it should rocket. But then... if you're going to all that trouble and expense, it's probably just as cheap to buy a 180 and get all the other nice 180 things... If you want the weight advantage, i can gaurantee there are about 200kg's of crap in the 180 it doesn't need as a race car, and then you'll have the bigger brakes and tuned suspension to match your new found power increase.

    I had the impression that the original enquiry was concerning an XU (iron) 406 engine. The EW engine would be ideal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jester_fu
    I thought the 206's only ever came with the EW10J4 motor in them, making it the all alloy with steel liners, and a 102kW
    True, however the original question was a little vague, in that he asked about a 406 twin cam, and that could be the originally fitted XU, or the later fitted EW10 donk.

    Quote Originally Posted by jester_fu
    The ultimate would be a 205 engined EW10J4S at 130kW in stock trim, and a 300kg weight advantage over the 206GTi180 donor
    But why bother, the engine has no pull down low
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206
    True, however the original question was a little vague, in that he asked about a 406 twin cam, and that could be the originally fitted XU, or the later fitted EW10 donk.



    But why bother, the engine has no pull down low
    Not in a 406 but would go pretty hard in a 205. A 75kw 1.9 wouldn't pull a 406 very well either.
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    They introduced the EW10 to the 406 manual in 1999. I think it was the first instance of the EW10 in Australia. 406 Auto's received the EW10 sometime in 2001.

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    Heres a link so you can print it out and stick it on the wall next to your XU10J4RS dyno charts.

    http://www.redbook.com.au/vehiclesea...p?key=PEUG99BJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester_fu
    OK, i had a bit of a dig on the web, and it seems you learn something new every day!! Here's 2 of the 4 links i found for the 406 donk. none of them listed the EW engine being used, only the XU10J4 and J4R. I'd be interested in seeing some info on them with the EW10J4, SLC. Not saying they didn't use it... but i like t osee these things "on paper", as i'm sure you do!! Then i can copy the pages...

    Here's two of the links i found
    mypugclub.tripod.com/id23.html - engine codes most Peugeot and Citroen models to 2002.
    http://www.histomobile.com/1/Peugeot...406_.htm?lan=1 406 up to 2005.


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    Quote Originally Posted by macquered
    Heres a link so you can print it out and stick it on the wall next to your XU10J4RS dyno charts.
    Ah, Brenno.

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    Jester, I don't have it on paper, but I can only suggest you sidle up to any 2L 406 or C5 and open the bonnet, son. You may recognise that buzzing engine cover quite quickly (even if it does have one of those silly double chevron badges on it )

    Incidentally, there is nice little piccie of it on P60 of that "Peugeot, the australian story" book by Ewan Kennedy that Pug Oz keep sending me (I have two now). Have you got one of them? It lists the 406 as dropping from 1998 engine (the XU?) to a 1997 engine (the EW) in 1999.
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    Wouldn't it be a bit too much trouble than it's worth to fit the EW engine into a 205? I'm just thinking that the MI16 engine conversion has been done so often so there's plenty of information on doing it. The EW would involve a whole heap of electronics and first time discovery stuff... just a thought...

    Plus the MI16 engine is 116KW versus 100KW... well the XU10J4Z engine anyway.
    Even the Series 1 engine is more powerful at 108kw...

    But I guess if you've got a cheap wrecked EW engine from a 406 it'd still scream in a 205!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jester_fu
    I certainly do.. but not Two!! Did you buy another 180 and not tell anyone?? I'd never payed much attention to the 406, in all honesty, other than with the V6 engine. I knew they raced them in the BTCC with the XU10, which supprised me a little as i thought the V6 would have made a better base. I guess it was more of a shell swap for some teams from the 405 to the 406.
    The regulations required 2 litre engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jester_fu
    I certainly do.. but not Two!!
    I got one with the 138, and one with the 180
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