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    Hi guys,

    Just wanted to know if a 4 speed + OD box from a V6 Volvo would be beneficial to any of you and how much it would be worth. I'm not sure whether it would suit fitment to a Peugeot, and what anyone would pay for it. I've been told to make an offer for it, but am unsure of what to pay. Can anyone help??

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    the last one i heard of that was sold went for aorund $200 so that might give you a bit of an idea
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    You might find a Volvo buyer, but they might also need the flywheel and clutch assembly...

    It's too difficult to adapt to a Peugeot tail shaft/torque tube arrangement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    You might find a Volvo buyer, but they might also need the flywheel and clutch assembly...

    It's too difficult to adapt to a Peugeot tail shaft/torque tube arrangement.

    tailshaft is the easy part

    just making up the adaptor to take the torque tube is the time consuming and harder part of the deal
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    tailshaft is the easy part

    just making up the adaptor to take the torque tube is the time consuming and harder part of the deal
    "tailshaft is the easy part". That would be the throw away comment of the year!
    To state the bleeding obvious, the Volvo has an open 2 piece tail shaft and the gearbox/overdrive combo would be a lot longer than a 5 speed Pug.
    To incorporate a torque tube to the Volvo box would amount to an operation of pyramid proportions.
    It would be more achievable to convert the Peugeot diff to an open tailshaft.

    With the amount of machining required to do it either way, must make you say to yourself. "Self, why?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest
    "tailshaft is the easy part". That would be the throw away comment of the year!
    To state the bleeding obvious, the Volvo has an open 2 piece tail shaft and the gearbox/overdrive combo would be a lot longer than a 5 speed Pug.
    To incorporate a torque tube to the Volvo box would amount to an operation of pyramid proportions.
    It would be more achievable to convert the Peugeot diff to an open tailshaft.

    With the amount of machining required to do it either way, must make you say to yourself. "Self, why?"

    you don't need the volvo tailshaft

    you use the gearbox end of the shaft and cut if off and weld it to the pug shaft and have it balanced

    the pug shaft would need to be shortened but all that is easy and it has been done on many other cars over the years when adapting other boxes to them

    the hard part with the pugs is the torque tube which will need to be shortened the same amount as the shaft and then the adaptor welded onto the rear of the back of the volvo box

    this mod has been done to a jap box that was fitted to a 504 and has been talked about here before
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    Tunnel modifications would be required too... one reason I dismissed the whole thing...

    Especially with that bulky overdrive hanging out the back.

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    Pugrambo,
    I think I may? have got the gist of your idea. Once again I state the obvious.

    The Peugeot prop shaft has a male spline. The Volvo has companion flanges at the gearbox and propshaft. One has a firm press fit onto the rear of the O/D with a nut to retain. If you were to do away with this flange and weld a female spline onto the Volvo shaft would mean a lot of to and fro movement would occur inside the O/D.

    Also any welding around Mr de Normanville's aluminium overdrive would create problems within, as well as more oil leaks!!

    Both the idea of propshaft mods and my diff mod to a lesser extent have, to me, become exercises in what could be done but the big question still arises.WHY?

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    For the technical exercise?

    Shares in Castrol?

    To be different...

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    you could always make a gearbox xmember and have an open shaft

    you could also make the diff mounting more substantial as well if need be

    it would be an interesting excercise to do it but you are still stuck with a box that is still pretty rare so if something did happen to it you are going to be up the creek in finding parts for it

    better off staying pug or going down the jap road for a box or even a 5spd from a falcon or commode
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    There's even an outside chance that a BA10/5 could be found...

    I don't think the Volvo box would be all that hard to service. What did we establish? They sold 250 or so of them here? They'd still have parts, and the de Normanville stuff is readily available.

    How would you put a flange on the front of the diff, 'rambo? Or would you put some other kind of diff in there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    There's even an outside chance that a BA10/5 could be found...

    I don't think the Volvo box would be all that hard to service. What did we establish? They sold 250 or so of them here? They'd still have parts, and the de Normanville stuff is readily available.

    How would you put a flange on the front of the diff, 'rambo? Or would you put some other kind of diff in there?

    i thought it was 50 sold here

    a flange on the front of the diff would be easy enough

    cut the end of the shaft off and weld the flange on it
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    The pinion shaft?

    Or do you mean the tailshaft?

    Either way I see problems in a number of quarters...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    The pinion shaft?

    Or do you mean the tailshaft?

    Either way I see problems in a number of quarters...

    either weld a flange onto the splined part that goes to the diff or weld the spline from the pug tailshaft to the volvo one

    nothing hard at all and these type of mods have been done numerous times as i am sure you have seen some in your travels

    i know i have seen a number of tailshafts modified over the years and when dealing with open shafts they are very easy

    nothing too hard about welding them, even axles have been welded up over the years when they have broken
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    Let's get this straight...

    We're talking about putting a flange onto the Peugeot diff's pinion so a tailshaft can be bolted up to it.

    What are you welding and where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Let's get this straight...

    We're talking about putting a flange onto the Peugeot diff's pinion so a tailshaft can be bolted up to it.

    What are you welding and where?

    no, not at all

    i said to get the spline from a pug tailshaft and weld a flange to that

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    cut the flange off the volvo tailshaft and weld the pug spline to it

    nothing at all about welding anything onto a pinion shaft
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    I think you missed the point...

    How would you put a flange on the front of the diff, 'rambo? Or would you put some other kind of diff in there?
    This is the question I asked, and the one to which I've constantly referred since... got any answers?

    The flange has to be fixed to the pinion shaft somehow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    I think you missed the point...



    This is the question I asked, and the one to which I've constantly referred since... got any answers?

    The flange has to be fixed to the pinion shaft somehow...

    i'm not talking about weldiong anything to the pinion shaft of the diff

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    I read the posts, I'm wondering how you're fixing that flange to the pinion shaft...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    I read the posts, I'm wondering how you're fixing that flange to the pinion shaft...

    not fixing the flange to the pinion shaft

    take the tailshaft and cut the diff end spline off as i said earlier and weld the flange to it as one option

    the other option was to cut the flange off the volvo tailshaft and weld the pug spline to it

    nothing at all i have mentioned mentions anything about welding or fixing anything to the pinion shaft of the diff
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    Okay, so how would you fix it to the pinion shaft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Okay, so how would you fix it to the pinion shaft?

    how does a tailshaft normally fit in a car ?
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    To a flange that is fixed pinion shaft...

    That's why I am asking you how you would fix a flange to the pinion shaft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    To a flange that is fixed pinion shaft...

    That's why I am asking you how you would fix a flange to the pinion shaft.

    pug diff doesn't move

    cut pug spline off pug tail shaft

    weld volvo flange to piece cut from said tailshaft
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    Yeah, you said that several times... but how are you going to fix it to the pinion shaft?

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