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    Default wine-the bad sought

    there is a couple of things im trying to remedy that im sure are seperate problems but may be connected in some way .ill just describe generally whats going on ,
    ive been noticing a wine type noise coming from the front of the 205,it dosnt sound like the diff or gearbox as it seems to be over the drivers side at the front,could this be wheel bearing on the way out?.i only notice it when im doing 60k.maybe when im going faster its still there but the surrounding noises cover it.
    also on another note how do you test for failing ball joints,im sure in getting movement form the drivers side front wheel.although the usual grab the wheel at 3 and 9 oclock and at 12 and 6 o clock dont seem to show any loosness. it does not seem as tight as it was when driving though.there has been no clunk noise when cornering usually associated with ball joint wear.
    ive had the front overhalled except for wheel bearings and ball joints.
    ive had bushes done and steering rack recoed.,drop links replaced .new shocks.
    i regularly rotate my wheels and it seems to do it on any wheel so its not out of round tyre ot rim.
    could the hub be warped?,
    the discs are 6 mnths old with near new pads.[mintex 171's]
    the rear shock on that side is about to be changed as its leaking but im sure this isnt it.
    any comments greatly apreciated ,i know its hard to diagnose things sometimes according to someones description of the symptoms, oh yeah, i get a slight bodysway when exiting corners but im sure this is the rear shock that im about to replace,
    thanks for your time-BAZZ

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    Default Cam belt gear maybe?

    Bazz,
    my experience on both 205Si and 405 is that wheel bearings make grinding noises which are specially noticeable on lock at low speeds on hotmix - when turning into a shopping centre parking spot for example...

    The bits which are going fast enough to make a whine at the drivers side of the engine include the alternator, auxialliary belt idler, cam belt idler, waterpump and the belt itself.

    These should all be engine speed rather than road speed related though. I had a distinct whine when I got the cam belt tension wrong on my 205Si - it was too tight I think but the idler is a relatively small bearing which could whine at speed if it is on the way out.

    Try listening to your engine at different places by pressing the round end of a large screwdriver handle to your ear and then touching the blade of the screwdriver to different parts of the engine ( not the moving bits!) - this could allow you to at least narrow down where the noise is coming from.

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    previously 205Si, 504Ti, HR wagon with R16 seats, R16, R10, VW kombi, VW passat, HQ panel van, FB panelvan, Rover'49 P3 4-light

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    i had major service about two months ago,cam belt tensioner,cam belt,water pump ect.
    it only seem to do it at around 60kand its a bit hard to climb on the bonnet with hood open with a big screwdriver at those speeds.ha ha ha.
    i thought of gearbox or diff but it dosnt sound like that side of the engine bay.
    thanks for your comments.-BAZZ

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    Default cam belt noises?

    Bazz,
    I had several attempts at getting the cam belt tension on the 205Si right. Started off with it too tight and it really did create a whine but it was much more noticeable at some revs than others - it is called harminics...

    If I remember correctly it was most noticable at around 2-2500 revs on the XU5. It was certainly possible to check this out by listening under the bonnet with your screwdriver or a proper auto stethescope while playing with the throttle position.

    You say you have had the cam belt done recently. Where? and did they actually use a tension measuring tool or one of the several 'rules of thumb' used by various mechanics? When I asked at the time at PCCV ( before I knew about AF ) no-one knew any mechancs who had the official tension measurer. And even the rules of thumb were rather vague...

    I would ask at your mechanic what tension was used...

    In the event that you cannot find the whine with just the engine going and it is a transmission whine then putting the front up on axle stands and having someone run through the revs in different gears while you listen outside or under the car should give you a good idea where the noise is coming from....

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    had the work done by a peugeot specialist,im getiing some other things looked at in the next month or so and will check it then,thanks-BAZZ

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