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    I'm having a plan to convert the original peugeot stud pattern which is 4x108 into 5x112. The reason why i want to do it is because i'm getting an aftermarket wheels. Spacers or hub adapter would be imposibble as i know. Do you guys think that i have to modify the hub only or including the disc brake as well? Thanks...

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    Four to five is a no-no... especially with PCDs that similar...

    Get onto the boys in Canada and America... on the Peugeot-L Forum... they have made adaptors to use Honda wheels.

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    Just out of interest Ray, would that principle apply to a 504/505/604 which uses the 4 x 140 stud pattern? That's a lot of room to play with if you wanted to use a five stud rim, regardless of PCD.

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    You certainly have less of a problem there... less prospect for conflict.

    But at the front I'd think you'd find it easier to adapt the hubs off a car from which you plan to use the stud pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 505 to the max
    Just out of interest Ray, would that principle apply to a 504/505/604 which uses the 4 x 140 stud pattern? That's a lot of room to play with if you wanted to use a five stud rim, regardless of PCD.

    the ones that Ray is talking about on the other forum were made for the 504/505/604 4x140 stud pattern
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    How about 4x108 to 4x100 is that possible? Do you guys know where can i get the kit? Thanks..

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    As mentioned, the guys the other side of the Pacific... go to the Peugeot-L forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    As mentioned, the guys the other side of the Pacific... go to the Peugeot-L forum.

    surely someone in this country is able to do something

    do we need to rely on another country for something like this
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    surely someone in this country is able to do something

    do we need to rely on another country for something like this
    Why? We all love our distinctive 4 x 108 pattern. If I wanted 5 x something, I would have bought a Holden!

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    Originally posted by pugrambo
    surely someone in this country is able to do something

    do we need to rely on another country for something like this
    No, but they have done all the legwork... I have no doubt you could get working drawings from them to save a lot of hassle and research.



    I don't think anyone's going 5-stud, Peter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrhusada
    How about 4x108 to 4x100 is that possible? Do you guys know where can i get the kit? Thanks..
    I had adaptors turned (custom made), which will cover that convertion. For $340 a pair (thus double cost for 4 wheels) and adjusted offset too.
    If you get Simmons or ROH wheels they will have an offsett and studpattern to fit your car. - Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHRI'S16
    I had adaptors turned (custom made), which will cover that convertion. For $340 a pair (thus double cost for 4 wheels) and adjusted offset too.
    If you get Simmons or ROH wheels they will have an offsett and studpattern to fit your car. - Chris
    Do you think how big the adaptors are? And are you in sydney area?

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    He is according to his profile...

    How much are Simmons Wheels these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrhusada
    Do you think how big the adaptors are? And are you in sydney area?
    Yep im in Sydney, the adaptors can be made to just about any size you like, but must keep the 4 stud to 4 stud ( or 5 to 5). So you can go to Honda 4x100 with a offset of about 28mm. But do you really want to d this
    Ray, Simmons are still very expensive, but you get a great genuine 3 piece wheel for your money.
    I'd be considering ROH, as you can order any size at no great extra cost. Some of their new desings are really good looking. - Chris
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    But how much?

    And you mention "$340 a pair" for the adaptors... do you really mean for four?

    Even so, I think this is fairly expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    But how much?

    And you mention "$340 a pair" for the adaptors... do you really mean for four?

    Even so, I think this is fairly expensive.

    with the labour involved plus the machining time i would expect to pay around the $100-150+ for each adaptor

    it's not a simple process and you still have to factor in materials

    the only way to get it cheaper was to get someone who has a machine shop that will give up their time to manufacture these parts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    But how much?

    And you mention "$340 a pair" for the adaptors... do you really mean for four?

    Even so, I think this is fairly expensive.
    No they were 340 a pair, they were custom spun to get the stud patter and offest just perfect, they are also from a very light but stong alloy, plus they look a treat. 340 is expensive, but 1 off jobs ussually are. Or as pugrambo has just mentioned. - Chris
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    Well, I don't think so...

    Dave Mawer, for instance, does this kind of thing all the time. And that guy in the Blue Mountains who does the flywheels, he'd be equipped to do the same... their prices don't seem comensurate with that kind of price tag.

    It would cost next to nothing to cast up the blanks, it would mostly be the machining costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Well, I don't think so...

    Dave Mawer, for instance, does this kind of thing all the time. And that guy in the Blue Mountains who does the flywheels, he'd be equipped to do the same... their prices don't seem comensurate with that kind of price tag.

    It would cost next to nothing to cast up the blanks, it would mostly be the machining costs.

    depends on the number that are bieng made hence i mentioned the prices above

    next time you have a spare minute or two give metaland or any other metal supplier a call and ask for a price on a lump of 120mm aluminium round bar or similar and sit down when you recieve the price

    then factor in time/labour plus the machine shop costs

    as a machinist who has done a few jobs in the past and keep my finger in the pie i can understand the prices and validate them

    machine work is never cheap unless it is a person who is running from home doing jobs on the side

    machines aren't cheap and profits need to be made to cover the cost of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrhusada
    I'm having a plan to convert the original peugeot stud pattern which is 4x108 into 5x112. The reason why i want to do it is because i'm getting an aftermarket wheels.
    Are you buying new wheels? If so, a lot of wheel manufactures can drill them to your pattern in the factory. Although I'm sure not all style wheels can be.
    My brother ordered some new wheels & had them drilled to suit his car. If I remember right it was only about $25 per wheel extra. This would be cheaper & nicer than adapters I would think . But adapters would be the second best option otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    How much are Simmons Wheels these days?
    It's generally accepted among "fully sik" rotary owners that a set of 4 17x7" Simmons FRs with tyres will set you back about $2700 from Tempe Tyres. Tempe are clearly not making a lot of money on them as most places are asking more than $3000.

    I'm not sure about the cost of 16s as it would seem that it's 17" or nothing these days.

    Also, Simmons don't make 15" sizes anymore. They've outsourced that to "Retro wheels": http://www.simmonswheel.com.au/range.html
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    So we still have no idea of the wheel prices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHRI'S16
    Yep im in Sydney, the adaptors can be made to just about any size you like, but must keep the 4 stud to 4 stud ( or 5 to 5). So you can go to Honda 4x100 with a offset of about 28mm. But do you really want to d this
    Ray, Simmons are still very expensive, but you get a great genuine 3 piece wheel for your money.
    I'd be considering ROH, as you can order any size at no great extra cost. Some of their new desings are really good looking. - Chris
    Just wondering..if the wheels come with +42 offset, what is the correct size for the adaptors since 307 comes with +25 offset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    So we still have no idea of the wheel prices?

    well i would say take off around $6-900 for tyres and divide the remainder by 4 and you would be pretty close
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrhusada
    Just wondering..if the wheels come with +42 offset, what is the correct size for the adaptors since 307 comes with +25 offset.
    That's what you need a good wheel fitter for, they can work it out, it will vary on the type/make/model/offset you are going to. I know that certain shops sell direct fit wheels for 307's, just ring around and have your stud pattern and offset figures ready. - Chris
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