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    Default Peugeot 205 electric window weight

    Hi.

    I have searched for this answer, and I hope someone knows without me having to remove the motor and mechanism.

    For a Peugeot 205.

    Does anyone know the combined or part weight of?
    - electric switches (not a lot)
    - electric motor
    - window mechanism

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    Is the same mechanism used if you switch to manual windows?

    If it is then I presume the decision comes down to keeping the electric windows or switching completely to plastic windows?

    Cheers.

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    What do you want to achieve? The stock setup works okay, but if yours seems sluggish, there's no need for radical measures. A good clean and lube of the mechanism, inspection of wiring and some general maintenance (cleaning switches) should see it back in action.

    If you want to get a bit more involved, I would suggest you take apart the motor and gears, clean and lube and perhaps skim the comm and replace the brushes if you can, that'll see it working as new.

    Also make sure the window doesn't cock in the rails, that kills these things.
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    Hi. Thanks, good info. If I keep the electrics I will service it as you say. However, it was working very well when I parked the car up.

    I am primarily building the car for motorsport, so weight versus function is what I am chasing. I have converted a few motorsport cars to manual windows before, but with a cage the winding arm can be a pain to get to. So I am tempted to keep the electrics this time if there isn't a big difference in weight between the setups.

    But I had the door off the car the other day, and it weighs a tonne!

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    Without any data, I left electric windows in the 206. Can't reach the handle in harnesses and didn't seem like it was worth the effort.

    Plastic windows would be worth it, but not legal in many categories.
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    You can retro fit winders but you will need the mechanisms which we never got in OZ so youll need them from the EU/UK etc. Just leave them elec for now or go plastic if your events allow and remove all the bits.

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    May help.

    "Pinched from another forum" (This came from Australian 16v205 Register, this forum. Posted by parry Australian 16v205 register

    Item________________________Old Weight____New Weight_______Saving
    Driver door internals___________3_____________0_______________ 3
    Passenger door internals_______3____________0________________3
    Driver Rear 1/4 Windows_______1.7___________1________________0.7
    Passenger Rear 1/4 Windows____1.7___________1________________0.7
    Driver Windows_______________3.7___________1.4___________ ___2.3
    Passenger Windows____________3.7___________1.4______________ 2.3
    Bonnet______________________12.5__________7.9_____ _________4.6
    Slam Panel___________________1.1___________0.2_________ _____0.9
    Radiator_____________________5_____________2.6____ _________2.4
    Heater______________________11_____________0______ _________11
    Inner Door panel______________2_____________0_______________2
    Under Dash__________________11____________0_____________ __11
    Dash_______________________4______________1_______ _________3
    Battery_____________________10____________4.9_____ _________5.1
    boot_______________________17___________6.5_______ _______10.5
    Rims (SMR to OZ)___________36.4__________19.6_____________16.8

    Total_____________________126.8_________47.5______ _______79.3
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    Quote Originally Posted by cam85 View Post
    You can retro fit winders but you will need the mechanisms which we never got in OZ so youll need them from the EU/UK etc. Just leave them elec for now or go plastic if your events allow and remove all the bits.
    Thanks, I didn't realise we didn't get manual.

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    Thanks BIGRR. So the front door internals at 3kg would be mostly the elec motor and window mechanisms. That is tempting considering I am removing everything else. But it makes the move to plastic windows nessesary

    The glass is surprisingly heavy!! I'll try and figure out the rules, but maybe the best of would be to fit plastic windows with the elec windows. Or even find an alternative lightweight mechanism. I do like a challenge.

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    One option would be to go to a cable lifting mechanism. You would have to custom build yours but I think that might save you a bit of weight. Have a look around the internets, I think you can buy universal kits. You will still have to custom install it.

    All other bits pale in comparison to the glass weight anyway so that's the ticket, but as mentioned above rules might be against you.

    That said, the weight of the power mechanism including motors in a 205GTI must be the lowest I have seen in a car. You should try a door off a BMW 2000CS for size.
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    Cheers. Yes I have a spare set of cable mechanism and manual too from my previous Renault Megane. I'll have a play on the weekend to check size/fit.

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    Door internal parts, Winder mechanism, glass & intrusion bar come in at a collective 11kg per door

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    I think I could make this work? And probably take some of the spare overhang weight out of it also.

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